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Re: [Chris Newman] COMMENT: draft-ietf-openpgp-rfc2440bis

2007-05-04 15:48:13

Sam Hartman wrote:


Do people in the working group support making the change Chris
proposes?  It is unlikely to be required by the IESG and is unlikely
to delay the document either way.  The question is whether people
believe that it would make the document better.



I object, most strongly!



The paragraph at the beginning states quite clearly:

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7. Cleartext signature framework

It is desirable to be able to sign a textual octet stream without ASCII armoring the stream itself, so the signed text is still readable without special software. In order to bind a signature to such a cleartext, this framework is used. (Note that this framework is not intended to be reversible. RFC 3156 defines another way to sign cleartext messages for environments that support MIME.)
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This section/feature is not to do with email. The format *MAY* be used over email, and takes some care to permit mailers to send that format. However, this format is about signing documents, not sending emails. The paragraph above quite clearly mentions the other context of sending messages over email, by referring to RFC 3156.

Specifically, OpenPGP's cleartext signature format is used for signing documents that might have legal import. (E.g., human signing that indicates that signatory reads/understands/intends/accepts the document, something that practically no other RFC addresses.)

According to legal context, separated signatures aren't much use, and indeed, will likely raise costs and cause false expectations. MIME, etc, are pretty much useless in a legal context because there is no easy way to both prove the signature *and* convince a skeptical audience (judge & jury) that the document is indeed signed.

Discussions of crud, etc, miss the point. OpenPGP is not a standard for only email encryption, and should not be treated as only such. It *MAY* be and is widely used for email, but should not be confused with other more custom email encryption designs such as S/MIME, that can only be used for email.

Likewise, his point that on "deployment of technology" is out of place in a technology that is now 15 years old. The RFC won't change its success one way or another.

(I have no comment on his comment about normative and other nitpicks!)

iang

PS: For more commentary on the legal aspects of using OpenPGP cleartext signatures see http://iang.org/papers/ricardian_contract.html