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Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verification

2005-06-28 17:42:47

Once again,  you can disagree, comment, challenge or whatever, just don't
turn it into a personal attack.

I should also note I have a right to disagree with your subjective opinions
as well, and again, don't use this as a reason to personally attack me.

I acknowledge your expertise of some RFC specifications, but don't use as a
reason to attack me.

You should also acknowledge or atleast at the very least give me some
passive respect for my own expertise,  I don't ask for it, but only out of
common curtsey simply by not personally not attacking me.

If I make a mistake, point it out.  but don't use it as a reason to attack

If I say something that is not consistent with the standard,  point it out,
but don't use this as a reason to attack me.

If I describe something you don't seem to agree with, tell me why, question
it all you want, but don't use this as  reason to attack me.

If you want to keep a personal "hector" folder to keep a watch on my
statements with the intent to challenge me,  sounds pretty sick to me,  but
fine, use it for all the above, just don't use it to personally attack me.

If you have a problem with my ego, well, live with it, just don't use it to
personally attack me.

Can I spell it out any easier?  Can you live with that?  Because if you
don't you we will continue to have a problem.

Hector Santos, Santronics Software, Inc.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hector Santos" <hsantos(_at_)santronics(_dot_)com>
To: "Keith Moore" <moore(_at_)cs(_dot_)utk(_dot_)edu>
Cc: <ietf-smtp(_at_)imc(_dot_)org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Bounce/System Notification Address Verification

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith Moore" <moore(_at_)cs(_dot_)utk(_dot_)edu>

Keith is filtered in a black list - an administrative level policy.
notification conforms with US ECPA provisions.

Here's the message I'm getting from your server:

<hsantos(_at_)santronics(_dot_)com>: host[] 
said: d
    550 Return Path not verifiable. (in reply to RCPT TO command)

As it was pointed out on numerous occasions, you are black listed on our
systems.  We dont' feed trolls reasons to learn how to get around it.

Personally I don't bounce mail from you - instead I file it into an
appropriately-named folder in case I realize that there's a need to read
respond to something you've said.

Thanks for the admission. It shows malicious intent to create harm and
create chaos whenever it suits you.   This has been your undenialable
operandi towards me for over 2 years now.  There is indisputable proof
that once you begin your attack,  the thread and mail conversations goes
down the drain.  It has happen with every thread I've participated or
started with unwarranted attacks at me or my products.   ENUF!  GROW UP

Nothing you will be able to prove that we are RFC x822 or RFC x821
non-compliant. NOTHING and claiming without proof will cause us

Everyone in this business gets to succeed or fail based on his

Damn right and we have a EXCELLENT reputation in the commercial Online
Hosting Mail and File distribution, top of the line, and have been for
25+ years.  A reputation based on ethics and moral values and doing the
right thing for my customers.  A reputation I cherish and will not allow
be demeaned and defamed.  We are #1 in the online hosting market from
hobbiest, small, corporate to government, and you don't get there with
dubious software and system engineering and designs, poor support
consideraiton, poor quality, non-compliant software as you have stated on
numerous occassions over the last two years.

You and your company are no more immune from criticism than anyone

You are correct 100%. Criticism is one things. Lies are not.  Your
that attacks our integrity must be based on undisputable *facts*.  You
outrighted demeaned me personally, my company, my products, my customers
numerous occassions over the last 2+ years with statements of unproven
for one purpose only.  To harm me.  This includes encouraging others to do
the same with censorship.

Even then I have tried publically and privately ask you on many repeated
attempts to stop the personal attacks.  I've tried to befriend you but you
kept the personal attacks going.

You can disagree, tell me I am wrong, dispute whatever I say, hopefully
showing good reasons, comment or whatever suits you in the course of
mail conversations.  I have thick skin.

But I am going to ask you one final time: DO NOT DEFAME AND TORT MY

Hector Santos, Santronics Software, Inc.

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