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Re: OT: 5xy - Do we need a "I MEAN IT!" do not retry response code?

2007-05-02 03:54:03



--On Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:14 PM +0200 "Peter J. Holzer" <hjp-ietf-smtp(_at_)hjp(_dot_)at> wrote:

I didn't catch well what it meant by "hard and soft bounces"
and  "BounceBack Messages?"  Does that main a real
accept/bounce transaction  or a 5xy response? or both?

I'm not sure either. "hard and soft bounces" could be either
5xx and 4xx respectively, or a "soft bounce" could be a
"couldn't deliver for $n hours, will keep trying" message.

I suspect 5yz and 4yz, although, if they are looking at NDNs, they might even be looking at extended codes. Or a hard bounce might be an SMTP reject and a soft bounce an NDN

"BounceBack Messages" are probably NDNs. I find this
interesting, because it means that to use this software (or at
least this feature) the spammer has to use a genuine
reverse-path.

Well, the return-path needs to be genuine only for NDNs. It is irrelevant for SMTP-time rejections as long as those are considered "hard". It does suggest that greylisting and silently dropping messages are, with regard to this technique, pathological: doing either gets you more spam; three clear rejections in a row and the noise stops.

    john