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Re: [ietf-smtp] RFC2821bis discussion of DKIM and SPF (was Re: Error in RFC 5321 concerning SPF and DKIM)

2014-07-28 16:11:27
Dear Tony,

See comments inline:
On Jul 28, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Tony Hansen <tony(_at_)att(_dot_)com> wrote:

On 7/26/14, 11:16 AM, John Levine wrote:
When i= was considered important in DKIM, many people considered it a
valid way to verify the identity of the sender of a message, given that

    *) it was actually used
    *) it really did map into the name used with the From: header

So the text about "belongs to the person who actually sent the message"
could be considered a reference to the use of i=.
Well, yes, and no.  In retrospect, that was always a failure of
communication.  The i= bit came from people in corporate environments
where the mail system is locked down, and you can't put anyone's
return address but your own on your mail.  But, of course, there are a
lot of mail systems, and only some of them are like that.

Yup, hence my subsequent sentence that you didn't quote:

However, subsequent work with DKIM showed that i= was unreliable for that 
purpose, and instead should be treated as an opaque value.

Agreed.

At the time DKIM was being proposed, I suggested it should have provisions for 
opaque tokens for abuse feedback reporting.  Although the 'i=' tag had to be 
within the signing domain; it evolved into being defined as an opaque 
reference.  This  definition, however, could prove problematic if in conflict 
with processes expecting its prior definition.  It seems a safer approach would 
have been to deprecate the 'i=' and define a new opaque tracking tag.   Is 
there a survey showing this tag can be safely used as an opaque reference?

Regards,
Douglas Otis



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