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Re: [ietf-smtp] [Shutup] Proposed Charter for something

2015-12-07 14:00:02
On 12/7/2015 5:50 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote:

On 07/12/15 02:34, John Levine wrote:
This is increasingly looking like a RG, not a WG.

Hmm, not sure. A good RG is one that'd attract an active
research community and be relatively long lived whereas
this seems like a bit of work where we need to do a relatively
small and discrete amount of research on one topic. (Which
is roughly "What'd happen if you mucked with received headers
the MSA passes on to the rest of the mail infrastructure?")

The way I think of it is a good RG would produce a stream
of academic publications and then some stuff that'd be of
use to the IETF. This sounds more like one paper's worth
of research then stuff would be done in the IETF or not,
depending on the findings.

So I don't think an RG would be a good plan and a WG
can be chartered to investigate things before proposing


I think a working group is sufficient with faster high quality results than a longer term research effort. We have enough ietf-industry-man-years, especially in the mail industry, to determine what is necessary.

The charter started out with ambitious goals that included "well-engineered improvements to the SMTP protocol."

But then it limited itself to specific work items, including DMARC related items which is not enough. I believe this effort requires liaison with the IETF-SMTP and DNS communities, as well as the DMARC and SPF communities.

How about:

  o RFC5321BIS, RFC5322BIS  Working Groups
  o "Email Bible" BCP for Hosting Mail Services Working Group

The latter would produce an Modern Integrated ESMTP guide like RFC1123 was the "hosting bible" for many internet application hosting implementers.

But then again, I can see how the charter may want to keep it simple too with the specific work items:

 o New I-D to relax the STD10/RFC5321.Received MUST requirement,
 o New I-D for "Cryptographic Protection of E-mail Headers" (memoryhole)
 o Soliciting new ideas (any I-Ds?) for Loop Detections.


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