[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [ietf-smtp] IETF Policy on dogfood consumption or avoidance - SMTP version

2019-12-25 18:29:32

--On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 08:22 -0800 Dave Crocker
<dhc(_at_)dcrocker(_dot_)net> wrote:

On 12/25/2019 5:57 AM, John C Klensin wrote:
If we want to see mechanisms that focus on the spam
originators and spammers, rather than the receiving end,
focusing on people, and especially mechanisms, that have
characterized efforts for most of the last 25 years of effort
may not be the best answer.
If you want to formulate proposals that have any practical
basis, it requires knowing quite a bit about the pragmatics of
spam today.  There is nothing new about the idea of seeking
'strategic' change; there have been many over the last 25
years.  However such proposals typically are not burdened by
requisite knowledge and typically embody exactly the naivete
one would expect. Similarly, proposals need to attend to the
realities of human factors, which is similarly lacking in
typical proposals.

I don't see anything about that with which I disagree.  If my
previous comments seemed inconsistent with that I didn't explain
clearly enough.  While I would (and did) argue for a change in
direction and/or strategy rather than simply continuing with the
anti-spam arms race, I think any proposal for such a change and
direction or strategy must be rooted in a deep understanding of
what the environment is like, what has been done, and what the
strengths and weaknesses of those approaches have been.  Without
that understanding, while failure -- perhaps even failure with
nasty side-effects -- is not certain, it is definitely very,
very, likely.


ietf-smtp mailing list

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>