Re: Is WAP mobile Internet??2000-07-06 05:40:03hi arindam try any of the WAP Emulators - from Nokia.com , phone.com etc Using that you can get the feel of the WAP world . cheers Aditya arindam(_dot_)das(_at_)in(_dot_)pwcglobal(_dot_)com wrote: I have no access to WAP as it is, so far. Can see a glimpse through the Internet! Anybody who can give any suggestions however will not get a prize........ "Parkinson, Jonathan" <Jonathan(_dot_)Parkinson(_at_)compaq(_dot_)com> on 06-07-2000 03:30:32 PM To: 'Jon Crowcroft' <J(_dot_)Crowcroft(_at_)cs(_dot_)ucl(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk> cc: "'ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org'" <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org> Subject: RE: Is WAP mobile Internet?? Wellas I see it, and belive me I may be wrong 'Its been known' :-) This been the IETF talks about well Internet ... >>I disagree, WAP, Wireless Application Protocol, Its a way of transmitting >>data I.E. to and from the Web. How does this not fall under the Internet >>Umbrella ? 1 youcan't get at an arbirtrary web page 2/ you can't get at an arbitraty application written on TCP/IP or UDP/IP A)youcan't get at an arbirtrary web page (Yes but you can navigate via WAP I.E BT Genie) and there are places/portals that transform a webpage to WAP format. B/ you can't get at an arbitraty application written on TCP/IP or UDP/IP. Does it need to be if the Web/Wap app can handle this format? -----Original Message----- From: Jon Crowcroft [mailto:J(_dot_)Crowcroft(_at_)cs(_dot_)ucl(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 4:19 PM To: Parkinson, Jonathan Cc: 'ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org'; J(_dot_)Crowcroft(_at_)cs(_dot_)ucl(_dot_)ac(_dot_)uk Subject: Re: Is WAP mobile Internet?? In message <71C4C55F198BD211B24F0000F842F15807ED9C39(_at_)reoexc6(_dot_)reo(_dot_)cpqcorp(_dot_)net>, "Parkinson, Jonathan" typed: >>I disagree, WAP, Wireless Application Protocol, Its a way of transmitting >>data I.E. to and from the Web. How does this not fall under the Internet >>Umbrella ? 1 youcan't get at an arbirtrary web page 2/ you can't get at an arbitraty application written on TCP/IP or UDP/IP ergo its not internet, its not Internet, and its not provided by Internet Service Providers, and this is Very Silly WAP is quite a neat idea but its a prototype - as folks have said, SMS is very cool - generalisations of it are cooler - native IP based ones cooler stil coz then your application base can benefot from the breadth and depth of stuff that people develop all around the world for IP and the disciplines and understanding of markets that ISPs now have...... mobile telephony service providers have a reasonable understanding of one thing - telephony, based in years of fixed/wireline telephony - however, this doesnt mean they haev much of a clue when it comes to software based services that people are exponentiateding in the native IP world...... >>Thanks >>Jon >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ashutosh Agarwal [mailto:ashutosha(_at_)planetasia(_dot_)com] >>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 2:25 PM >>To: 'Taylor, Johnny' >>Cc: 'ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org' >>Subject: RE: Is WAP mobile Internet?? >> >> >>Hi all, >>I fully agree with Lars. Even I believe WAP does not fall under the Internet >>Umbrella >> >> >>Ashutosh Agarwal >>e-mail : ashutosha(_at_)planetasia(_dot_)com >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>Change your thoughts and you change your world. >> The Buddha >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Taylor, Johnny [SMTP:Johnny(_dot_)Taylor(_at_)espire(_dot_)net] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 12:15 AM >>> To: Lars-Erik Jonsson; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org >>> Subject: RE: Is WAP mobile Internet?? >>> >>> The Internet allows all protocols to in-operate with her. This is the >>> uniqueness >>> of the web. Therefore WAP falls within this area! >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Lars-Erik Jonsson [mailto:lars-erik(_dot_)jonsson(_at_)ericsson(_dot_)com] >>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2000 7:54 AM >>> To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org >>> Subject: Is WAP mobile Internet?? >>> >>> >>> Hi Folks!! >>> >>> I would like to hear your opinions about how WAP people often say that WAP >>> is >>> "mobile Internet". In my opinion, WAP is NOT mobile Internet at all. The >>> Internet is built on the e2e principle and based on the Internet >>> Protocols, >>> which WAP is not. I can not tell people that they should not use WAP (even >>> if I >>> have my opinions about WAP). If they believe in WAP that is their problem, >>> but >>> when they try to use the words WAP and Internet in the same sentence I >>> think >>> it >>> is time to clarify a few things. I accept that WAP is there, but be honest >>> about >>> what it is. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> /Lars-Erik (expressing my PERSONAL opinions) >> cheers jon ---------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer.
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