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Re: "end-to-end" is important....Re: OPES is evil incarnate

2001-06-19 13:20:03
And so:-)...   May the best technology win!

In general, the best does win, in due course;-)...\Stef

At 12:08 -0500 19/06/01, Jim Fleming wrote:
Focusing on the positive...

"end-to-end" is important, but relative to a particular
Protocol/AddressSpace architecture

The IPv8 cloud is end-to-end and can overlay on the IPv4 cloud.
The IPv16 cloud is end-to-end and designed to be native and fast.

Both can overlay on IPv6, which is generic and slow
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/ietf/Current/msg12213.html
2002:<IPv4>:0000:<IPv8> vs. 3FFE:<IPv6>

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike O'Dell" <mo(_at_)ccr(_dot_)org>
To: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 7:22 AM
Subject: OPES is evil incarnate


 >
 > I can't believe what i'm reading here
 >
 > the though of the IETF hosting a group whose primary purpose
 > is to attack the end-to-end principle is abhorrent.  there is
 > no other both obvious and likely use for this "technology"
 > than unwanted interdiction.  it is evil.  "Just Say No."
 >
 > yes indeed, sometimes people will insist on doing stupid
 > things, but they should go do them elsewhere, well away from
 > the IETF and certainly without the IETF impremateur.
 >
 > the premise that by hosting them we might be able to
 > help them be slightly less stupid is just pointless.
 >
 > creating an OPES working group will be a collossal
 > mistake the IETF will regret for a very long time
 >
 > harumph.
 >
 > -mo
 > Resident Crank
 >



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