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Re: spam

2003-05-27 21:47:19
On Tue, 27 May 2003 22:48:51 EDT, Dean Anderson said:

I've pointed out the spam is a covert channel, with regard to Shannons
theorem.

If the percentage of mail that was spam was low enough that it was in
fact a "covert" channel, we could all declare victory and go home.

What Shannon proved was that you can always get *SOME* covert information
out "under the radar".  You can't stop 100% of it.

Of course, you've totally blown the most basic point about covert channels -
they are by definition between two *cooperating* parties getting information
past a security boundary.  So for instance, Shannon proves that you can do
things like use steganography or differential timing to encode 200 bytes of
covert info into a 10K message, for a 2% bandwidth channel.

What that *doesnt* do is imply that if I as a spammer send 10K of innocuous
text to you, that you will miraculously spot the 200 bytes of steganographic
spam *WITHOUT LOOKING FOR IT*. Hmm.. this message text is about 1.5K already,
plenty of room for me to have concealed a very clear but hidden message.

And remember - what Shannon was *really* saying was that *somebody* *will*
understand the previous paragraph, even if most of the IETF readership
is collectively scratching their heads.  If you don't understand THIS paragraph
you don't understand Shannon's work on covert channels.

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