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Re: Certificate / CPS issues

2003-06-06 13:05:55
OK, so what happens when someone else uses my address, perhaps using 
my passport, captured from some mail sent by me to someone? 

I think the term of art is "being Joe Jobbed".

Every now and then,  I get a bounced report that claims something I sent 
is being returned, but it was not sent by me.  This "something" is most 
often spam sent to someone else.  Sometimes it contains a virus.
Apparently this  is a trick to get me to open it.

Anyway, I think your Passport Scheme needs some more work.

Cheers...\Stef

At 11:50 +0100 6/6/03, Graham Klyne wrote:
At 12:12 05/06/03 -0700, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
A spam sender could attempt to use disposable certificates in the same way
that IP addresses and dialup accounts are considered disposable. This is
unlikely to work for long, the spam sender can set up lots of shell
companies at the same address but if the CA keeps authenticating to the same
address or phone number the pattern will soon become apparent.

Hmmm... is there an economic play here?

<background>
First, briefly, my view of the spam situation.  I don't think it's 
fundamentally an Internet protocol design issue (though some design tweaks may 
help).  Essentially, I think people currently have the choice of
(1) putting filters in place and accept the loss of some non-spam mail, or
(2) accepting a deluge of spam, and not lose any mail.  In practice, I think 
this option doesn't exist, because I find that (lacking spam filters) I do 
lose a few pieces of non-spam mail because I don't recognize the sender or 
subject.  So I see a way forward to be a "passport" mechanism to reliably 
bypass automated spam filters, a kind of whitelist++.
</background>

So back to my question: is there an economic play here?

(I was offered the opinion once that a big *disadvantage* of email compared 
with fax for business transactions was that it has almost zero incremental 
cost of use.)

I'm thinking of a cert issued for a small sum of money, without any 
authentication other than the purchaser promises something like "I promise not 
to spam with this certificate".  At the earliest evidence of it being used for 
spamming, it is revoked.  The price should be small enough to be accessible to 
any reasonable person, but high enough that the bill for daily or hourly 
renewal would become significant.

Maybe crazy, just thinking aloud...

#g


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