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Re: accusations of cluelessness

2003-10-10 21:38:01
Keith, I don't understand what you are saying here.   As I read 
his note, Vernon isn't saying "make all the applications 
recognize a particular address range and do something special". 
He is saying "ok, we don't think this is useful, but, if it 
would help you to have an address range to do your own thing in 
your own way, addresses are just not that scarce".

scarcity isn't the problem.  just because something is plentiful
doesn't mean you want to pollute the water supply with it.  and no,
it's not okay to say "you can pollute your own water supply if you
want to", because that stuff flows downstream to everybody else.

I'd love to stamp out all of the wrong-headedness and stupidity 
in the world, but I would not expect to succeed and have largely 
given up trying except for isolated local cases.  Efforts 
through the centuries to make and enforce laws against stupidity 
and  stupid behavior have not been very successful.  

nobody is proposing we make or enforce laws against stupidity.
what is being proposed is that we take a practice that is now widely
acknowledged to be stupid, or at least harmful, and say "oops,
sorry, this turns out to have been a bad idea.  please don't do this"

maybe we can't outlaw stupidity, but that doesn't mean we have to
encourage it, or even be silent about it.

I'm not as 
convinced as you are that, to use Vernon's description, "Site 
local addresses are utterly stupid and wrong", but, even if I 
were, I'd be having some trouble convincing myself that taking 
the relevant address range out of the allocation pool and 
leaving it out would be seriously harmful to the network and to 
interoperability.

well, so would I, and as I understand it, that's just what is being
proposed.

I don't have any problem with IETF/IANA saying "the addresses formerly 
allocated to site-local will never be re-assigned".  I do have 
a problem with IETF giving any support to the notion that it's
reasonable to use site-local addresses.