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More frustrating that not having [ietf] (Fw: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender)

2003-12-17 08:05:45
I find this more frustrating. I have a dynamic IP address, because fixed IP 
address ADSL isn't very common here in Australia. So I use DYNDNS to map my 
domain MX records. I can't get matching PTR records.

I'm assuming my mail bounced because I don't have matching PTR and MX records.

Why should email assume fixed IP addresses for email delivery, or rather, 
matching PTR and MX records ?

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:11:28 +1030 (CST)
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To: ietf(_at_)2c9d1f3141b658e37c53395b25a04078(_dot_)nosense(_dot_)org
Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender


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I just match on either the 

"Sender: owner-ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org"

header, or the ML specific email address I've created.

I'm using Sylpheed though, it seems to be more flexible on matching header 
fields than most other email clients I've used in the past.

On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 09:13:13 -0500
Gordon Cook <cook(_at_)cookreport(_dot_)com> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 08:00:38AM +0200, Pekka Savola wrote:

 I don't-  IMHO it's stupid to waste the precious bits in the subject
 line to say "[ietf] " because there is no need for such.  The messages
 can be filtered better using other thods as well, and humans can look
 at the headers..

I agree, for filtering everything's in the header already.

Tim

I  do not use eudora to forward list mail to separate mail boxes. 
therefore if i don't start list filtering into seperate mail boxes, i 
am forced to guess where a piece of mail might be ietf since adding 6 
characters to ever subject headers is judged unhelpful and 
unacceptable?

There is no sure way at all to tell from a subject line whether its 
IETF and to complain about adding 6 ascii characters to a subject 
line wasting bits if it gives several thousand humans a hint as to 
whether to open and read, or delete unopened, or delete mail to spam 
mail box seems to be strange.  But this point of view i guess is why 
the list keepers have not yet and probably never will do what most of 
the other lists that I receive do.

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