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RE: packets of multiple users sent over the same TCP/IP session

2004-01-25 10:29:55
Hi Valdis,

Thanks for the reply.

SMPP is a good example to what I am looking for, and I am trying to see if
other 
protocol foreseen in the future (or past) have the same characteristics:

The special thing about SMPP is that in the same TCP/IP session packet that
are really SMS embedded in IP 
are sent from one network element (called SMSC) to another (called ESME) -
so that the packets (i.e. SMS) belong to different mobile users.

In this case I cannot map the IP address of the TCP session to one specific
mobile subscriber - and the only way I can 
identify the subscriber is by "looking" on the SMPP layer (above the TCP)
and extract the subscriber mobile number.

Another example may be SMTP (not sure).

Anyway the thing I am trying to solve is whether I should consider this kind
of protocol characteristic as "special" and "rare", and so build a dedicated
solution for SMPP, or maybe I can expect to see many more such protocol and
so I should build a more generic solution.

It is obvious to me that a generic solution is better technically, but since
my resources (i.e. time) is limited, 
I need to see how rare this kind of protocol (same TCP/IP with packets of
multiple users) is common/expected.

Another characteristic of SMPP that I am looking for its "commonness" is the
fact that there could be many 
TCP/IP session from many SCSCs to ESMEs at the same time - and packets of
the SAME subscriber may appear 
on them at the same time...

Complicated :-)   that's my life (-:





yours,

Haim Rochberger




-----Original Message-----
From: Valdis(_dot_)Kletnieks(_at_)vt(_dot_)edu 
[mailto:Valdis(_dot_)Kletnieks(_at_)vt(_dot_)edu]
Sent: Sun, January 25, 2004 6:43 PM
To: Haim Rochberger
Cc: 'ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org'
Subject: Re: packets of multiple users sent over the same 
TCP/IP session



On Sun, 25 Jan 2004 15:42:28 +0200, Haim Rochberger 
<haimro(_at_)p-cube(_dot_)com>  said:

I will appreciate your help as it will help in making a 
better design
decisions.

Hmm.. been a while since I've had to post this. ;)

The first thing you want to do is take a step *back* from the 
problem, and ask
yourself what problem you're trying to solve via this 
multiplexing.  You
already said you didn't want to use tunneling, but at the 
same time you gave us
insufficient information to know if SMPP or anything similar 
is applicable to
your problem. With the information you gave, it's likely many 
will fear to give
you any really useful answers for fear of sending you in a 
totally useless
direction.

For all I know, HTTP pipelining may be a solution to your 
problem - in that
scenario, you have in-flight packets for multiple HTTP requests (read
"subscribers") active at the same time.  On the other hand, 
although it meets
the requirements you stated, it's almost certainly not the 
right answer.  But
not knowing what problem you're trying to solve, it's hard to say.

Basically, you need to make sure that what you have in your 
hand is a nail
rather than a screw *before* you start selecting hammers....