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Re: IESG review of RFC Editor documents

2004-03-28 00:56:39
Hi Eliot,

Similarly, SOCKS went quite far before the IETF ever got a look at it. 
Why?  Because we are no longer viewed as a place where development can 
seriously take place.  Risk averse.  You know that thing about running 
code?  Taken too far we fail what I think part of our mission is, which 
is to be a place to collaborate, because everyone will have shown up 
with their respective running code, only to fight over whose running 
code (if anybody's) will become the standard.  See, for instance, the 
XMPP/IMPP wars.

I agree with you on this. I think we see already other groups working on IP 
protocols, avoiding the IETF. One could look at the example of RADIUS, for 
example. RADIUS was originally developed outside of the IETF, brought into the 
IETF, extended by a half-dozen SDOs and now the IETF is considering trying to 
clean up the current mess. The IETF has used individual submissions to make 
things a bit better, with some success. 

Part of the problem was that the we  took so long to develop the follow-up to 
RADIUS - Diameter - that we completely missed the window, so the world kept 
extending RADIUS.

John
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