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Subject: Re: Response to complaint from Dean Anderson (fwd)
From: "Gene Gaines" <gene(_dot_)gaines(_at_)gainesgroup(_dot_)com>
Date: Tue, June 22, 2004 6:24 pm
To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Enough.
The Dean Anderson fiasco has continued long enough.
This is a formal request that Anderson be asked to
cease the off-topic diatribes about a problem that
I view as of his own making.
The IETF should have no legal or moral obligation
to accede to his demands, nor should any individual
associated with IETF activities.
His negative diatribes and threats do damage to the
IETF. It is important he cease or be banned from
IETF lists.
I have not met Mr. Anderson, but remember him quite
well from past correspondence lists such as:
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To: Yakov Shafranovich <research(_at_)solidmatrix(_dot_)com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: ICANN asks Verisign to shutdown SiteFinder
in 48 hours
From: Dean Anderson <dean(_at_)av8(_dot_)com>
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:12:02 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
In-reply-to: <3F7DA063(_dot_)6020409(_at_)solidmatrix(_dot_)com>
Sender: owner-ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
I see that Verisign is complying while they "review their
options".
Well, hopefully they are having their lawyers go over their
contracts to see if ICANN can claim it is in breach of any
contract. It would seem that they can't, having not complained
about other registries, and having not substantiated any adverse
effects to the internet. It will take some time to go through
each claim and offer a substantial proof that it is wrong. It
will be interesting to see what the lawyers say.
It was really to bad that they gave the "angry scientists and
engineers" as much credit as they did. This angry group is
basically the same bunch of Verisign bashers that have been
whining about Verisign or Network Solutions for many years, when
there are other registries that are much more deserving of
criticism. Calling them scientists and engineers gives too much
credit because real scientists and engineers deal in facts. I
would use another term.
I for one hope that SiteFinder will come back, and I wish
Verisign good luck.
--Dean
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Gene Gaines
gene(_dot_)gaines(_at_)gainesgroup(_dot_)com
Sterling, Virginia
On Tuesday, June 22, 2004, 4:22:49 PM, Dean wrote:
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 Valdis(_dot_)Kletnieks(_at_)vt(_dot_)edu wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:43:23 EDT, Dean Anderson said:
Mr. Vixie's obvious malice for Av8 Internet is plain to see,
As is the fact that the feelings appear to be mutual....
One never appreciates being publicly disparaged, defamed, or
harrassed,
but it is incorrect to assume that just because I have been attacked,
that
I harbor malice for that person. Rather, I feel sorry for someone who
is
presumably in his 40's and resorts to name-calling. Such
unsocialization
or immaturity must be debilitating. I pray for them. This does not
mean
that I will silently accept such treatment, nor does it mean I will
not
assert my rights and privileges to object to such treatment.
Besids Mr. Vixie's on-list comments, there is his involvement in the
defamatory and misleading statements about Av8 Internet's IP address
space. Long ago, and for other reasons, I came to believe that
defamation
results in a short term loss for the defamed and a short term gain
for the
defamer, but a long term gain for the defamed and a long term loss
for the
defamer. Lies are always exposed as lies and liars are always
exposed as
liars. This is particularly appropriate as the UN meets today to
discuss
anti-semitism, which is also spread by defamation. The defamed may
be
saddened and harmed while being defamed, but have solace in the fact
that
history will eventually right the wrong: It always has. It always
will.
This doesn't mean one should be complacent. Everyone should stand up
to
stop defamation.
I have made efforts to make my criticisms professional and accurate,
and
not to allow myself to degenerate into name-calling. Persons who
behave
badly and call other people names deserve criticism. While everyone
may
be fallible from time to time in overheated discussion, some people
seem
to have no control or compuction whatsoever. I have tried to make
sure
that my criticisms meet the standard of cool and detached
professionalism.
Mr. Vixie's comments ("loons", "trolls", "dv8", "least technical
person on
the list" do not meet that standard.
But I note that you have not amoung those who have posted messages
calling
for Mr. Vixie to "take a break" before calling other people names.
Is it
that you have become accustomed to his behavior or do you hold me to
a
different standard?
services to customers. However, it is unclear what Mr. Vixie's
expertise
is actually in, other than name-calling, and making disparaging
alterations on another companies trademarks. I have seen little
else.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
Not exactly. Questioning someone's expertise is quite a bit
different
than declaring someone else to be "the least technical person on the
list". I did the former, Mr. Vixie did the latter. The former is
reasonable and appropriate, the latter isn't.
Questioning Mr. Vixie's expertise is not unreasonable nor
inappropriate in
the light of his last several disparaging remarks not only about
myself
and subsequently my company, and also Mr. Vixies inappropriate
name-calling of other people. I note that the Chair has also failed
to
chastise these other inappropriate comments by Mr. Vixie.
I am aware of Mr. Vixie's past involvement in DNS and his operation
of a
Root nameserver, yet just recently he diverted attention from
genuine
questions raised by several people about Root Anycast to a personal
attack
on several of the participants. This does not seem to be appropriate
for
a trusted person in DNS or Root server operations, and leads to
questions
about professionalism, responsibility, maturity, and and ultimately,
trust
in his expertise in that area. The name-calling raises further
questions
about whether we can trust Mr. Vixie's assurances. This is also not
a
personal attack: Such questions are valid, have been raised by
several
people, and have gone unanswered except for name-calling.
Dean Anderson
Av8 Internet, Inc
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Date: 19 May 2004 22:16:36 +0000
From: Paul Vixie <vixie(_at_)vix(_dot_)com>
To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: Root Anycast
there are two things that i think it's important that everybody
understand.
first, anyone who posts from roll accounts like "info(_at_)utel(_dot_)net
(jfcm)"
tends to be dismissed as a troll.
second, anyone who seriously uses the term "legacy DNS root" tends to
be
dismissed as a loon.
i now return control of your television set to the loons and
trolls...
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