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RE: hop-by-hop and router alert options [Re: Question about use o f RSVP in Production Networks]

2004-08-11 06:01:41
hi pekka, 

if you want to discover nodes somewhere along the path (between a particular
source and a destination address) then you have a limited number of choices.
the router alert option is one option and certainly not better or worse than
other options. 

do you have a suggestion how to accomplish the same functionality (as
required by rsvp or similar protocols) in a better fashion?

ciao
hannes
 

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Fleischman, Eric wrote:
I am aware of some use of RSVP in labs but I am not aware 
of any use 
of RSVP in production networks (i.e., real life networks people 
connect to the Internet with). Simultaneously, I am 
encountering I-Ds 
and other work planning to use RSVP. This possible 
disconnect concerns 
me. Therefore, I would appreciate being educated by anybody 
using RSVP 
in production settings. Would you please let me know how 
many devices, 
what applications, and how successful these deployments (if 
any) are? 
Thank you.

I'd be interested about this as well, but also in more general.

I'd be in favor of deprecating the IP router alert option 
completely.  
Effectively this affects RSVP and MLD *).  I'd want to 
similarly do away with the IPv6 Hop-by-Hop options.  At the 
very least, I'd like to prevent further standardization of 
these options.

The justification is simple: any "magic" packets which all 
routers on the path must somehow examine and process seems a 
very dubious concept when we want to avoid DoS attacks etc. 
on the core equipment which must run on hardware: effectively 
this means that either these are ignored in any case 
(nullifying the use of such options), or put on a "slow path" 
(causing a potential for DoS).  IMHO, it seems just simply 
bad protocol design to require such behaviour.

I'm interested what others think about this.. :)

*) MLD should be relatively straight-forward to re-design 
(just send the MLD reports to a link-local address which the 
router is listening), or just keep it as is for now.  RSVP 
can probably thrown away without many tears.

-- 
Pekka Savola                 "You each name yourselves king, yet the
Netcore Oy                    kingdom bleeds."
Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings


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