Brian,
This expectation is exactly what is inappropriate if IETF wants to attract
pointed experts in a subject to contribute to a specific activity. Often they
can't afford or justify to attend a week of other unrelated (even if
interesting) discussions. Numbers have privately confirmed that they also see
it as a major hinderance to participation and growth of IETF in some areas.
BTW the tao is clear that agenda may change not to what extent. Common sense
should prevail. One might argue that adding slots or movimng days is an
unreasonable change. Extending meetings when agreed by participants would be
much more acceptable.
Eventually, I have noted and be told in several private notes that indeed this
expectation of participation to the whole meeting has been questioned
repeatedly and never addressed.
I have been told that whatever worth is the argument the IETF will not care and
will not act. It looks like it so far... But I hope that this is not true and
that IETF caters to the issues raised by its community and can adapt to changes
when warranted. I have not seen a discussion of pros and cons solely a
statement that it's always been like that and loosely stated as a foundamental
assumption that if you do not come the whole week, well too bad. That's not the
way to address this.
So I hope we will get a bit more constructive.
Cheers.
Stephane
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From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org <ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Sent: Sun Nov 07 14:07:51 2004
Subject: Re: FW: [Inquiry #19085] Issue with Meeting Schedule change at the
last moment
I haven't really see anyone state clearly what has always
been my understanding of this issue.
The IETF meeting starts Monday morning and ends Friday
lunchtime. We hold all the WG and BOF sessions in one place
because synergy and cross-fertilization between WGs is necessary
to achieve a reasonably consistent Internet. The intention
is that everybody stays for 4.5 days and takes an active part
in multiple WGs and BOFs. Parachuting in for one WG is simply
not effective, since we need to understand and resolve conflicting
issues between WGs.
In that context, late agenda changes in order to minimize
clashes are common events.
(This is made fairly clear in the Tao of the IETF, which
is more or less required reading for newcomers:
http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#2 .)
Brian
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