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Re: Issue #727: Section 2.2, 4, & 7 - Miscellaneous & editorial [was : Last Call Comments on draft-ietf-iasa-bcp-02.txt]

2004-12-26 21:02:16
At last ... This is why the ISOC scheme cannot work. One cannot serve two masters. This rises the question of who has the lead over the Internet R&D (a part from the users). 1. may be it is the time to remember the IRTF and its Chair: this would transform a praxis into a triumvirate. 2. rather then creating a dominance, why not to organize a conflict arbitration, for example by your ICANN BoD position. If there is a conflict, you are the first embarrassed.
jfc

At 16:22 26/12/2004, John C Klensin wrote:



--On Sunday, 26 December, 2004 08:35 -0500 Margaret Wasserman
<margaret(_at_)thingmagic(_dot_)com> wrote:

>>>  >>  I'd remove everything after the comma.  There is no
>>>  >>  clear concept of what duties and responsibilities would
>>>  >>  normally be associated with such a position, and you
>>>  >>  have specific responsibilities and limits listed later.
>>>
>> No change made. It had quite some discussion during rev 01.
>> And we then seemed to have agreed (to me at least) on taking
>> the text from the IAB doc (RFC2850, sect 3.1) and not fiddle
>> with the words (as had been done earlier).
>> So after that earlier discussion on the text, I do not see
>> this as just an editorial change.
>
> I personally still object, as I don't (personally) have a
> clear concept of what duties and responsibilities would
> normally be associated with the role of IAOC Chair.  Would you
> consider this person to be a peer with the IETF Chair and the
> IAB Chair, for instance?

Note, first, that we have never clarified whether the IETF Chair
and the IAB Chair are peers.  As a former IAB Chair, I have an
opinion on that subject, but it might differ from the opinions
(and certainly differs from some occasional practices) of prior
IETF Chairs.

Speaking pragmatically and based on some experience with general
organizational behavior as well as that of the IETF...  Not
having this issue absolutely clear will, sooner or later, lead
to a power struggle of some flavor unless the IAOC Chair rotates
at a fairly high rate, i.e., the position is clearly one of
"chair of current meeting or teleconf", not "Chair of the IAOC".

And, while Carl will probably consider that potential power
struggle as an edge case too, I think the odds of it occurring
and consuming a lot of energy unnecessarily are high enough that
it would be good to get this clarified and to be sure that the
community is signed up on the clarification.

   john




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