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Re: a new DNS root for the world?

2005-10-03 07:56:57
In message <0a3601c5c824$3253fcb0$0500a8c0(_at_)china(_dot_)huawei(_dot_)com>, 
"Spencer Dawkins"
 writes:
OK, as much fun as this is...

GPRS relies heavily on a tunneling mechanism (called GTP) for cellular 
mobility. It's IP based.

The DNS that users know ANYTHING about is used INSIDE the tunnel - if a GPRS 
user types www.yahoo.com, that's INSIDE the tunnel.

.gprs is used OUTSIDE the tunnel, to find GGSNs for SGSNs, etc.

.gprs is not an alt-root, it's not even the DNS for a "walled garden" that 
any GPRS user will ever see directly, unless you think that SGSNs are "DNS 
users". It is ONLY used for GPRS infrastructure devices to find each other 
inside a GPRS infrastructure IP network.

Some number of GPRS operators ALSO operate DNS for end users in a walled 
garden, but that has nothing to do with .gprs. It would be a serious concern 
if GPRS end users could send untunneled packets directly to GPRS 
infrastructure devices, because, sadly, it's very rare that GPRS operators 
use IPsec to secure the operation of the GPRS infrastructure.

And exactly how does abusing the DNS stop people from sending them 
packets?  In the security world, we have a phrae for this: security 
through obscurity.  It's not a compliment....

I see absolutely no technical justification for .gprs in this 
application.  And yes, I understand what it's for.  I also think that 
Neustar should know better.  My working assumption is that after 
"creating new facts on the ground", to quote a phrase from Middle East 
politics, the GSMA folk will start marketing walled garden content to 
their users under that domain.  (Not that any other generic TLD has 
really caught on, but that doesn't stop folks from trying.)  There are 
also the usual issues of leakage (hint: how do resolvers learn where 
the real root servers live?), confusion if one of operators needs yet 
another pseudo-TLD, and what answers a DNSSEC should give for this 
tree's root.

It's a bad idea, no matter what the excuse.  .local can cause trouble, 
but at least it has some justification.  I see no valid reason for this 
stunt.

                --Steven M. Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb



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