Yes, I know that the IEEE has different sources of funding, and I did
not intent to make any comparison at the level of the two organizations.
I was just providing the information from the perspective of the fees
that need to be paid by an individual participant in the work of the two
organizations. BTW, you need not be an IEEE member to take part in the
work of a IEEE 802 Working Group or to attend meetings, you just need to
pay the meeting fee.
Regards,
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On
Behalf Of Brett Thorson
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 7:19 PM
To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: IEEE vs IETF (one more time) was RE: Please make
sure that you do not run your WLAN in ad hoc mode
Hardly a fair comparison. It is so evident I'll just sum it up.
IETF meetings support the entire organization for the entire
year (or at least a third of it). Yeah yeah, blah blah ISOC
insurance...
IEEE makes money in all sorts of other ways, including IEEE
Dues to say the least. I haven't tried very hard, but in 30
seconds of surfing, I can become a year long member in IEEE
$156, attend one meeting $300, and get one specification
[picked one at random] $109.
I think it would be great to get a firm price on how much it
would cost to outsource the network. We would finally get
people to realize the value they are getting by having hosts
and volunteers.
--Brett
I can ask, but I doubt that this information is available.
What I know
is that the registration fee for the IEEE 802 Plenary meeting
is considerably lower than the one at the IETF (300 USD vs. 500 USD).
Regards,
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:tme(_at_)multicasttech(_dot_)com]
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 7:11 AM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Avri Doria; Ole Jacobsen
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: Please make sure that you do not run your
WLAN in ad hoc
mode
On Sat, 12 Nov 2005 06:45:59 +0200
"Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" <dromasca(_at_)avaya(_dot_)com> wrote:
Dear Dan;
You should see if you can find out what it costs the IEEE 802 to
outsource the wireless LAN, both total and per person.
Regards;
Marshall Eubanks
-----Original Message-----
From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf
Of Avri Doria
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 4:15 AM
To: Ole Jacobsen
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: Re: Please make sure that you do not run your
WLAN in ad
hoc mode
On 11 nov 2005, at 13.56, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
In 19 days, this very hotel and meeting rooms will be
filled with
ICANN attendees, most of whom are not "technical" in our
sense of the
word. That should be lots of fun :-)
It will be interesting to see if ICANN has as much
trouble, or IEEE
during the intermediate week.
I have heard an interesting bit of anecdotal evidence
that indicates
the situation is worse at IETF meetings then at other
meetings. I
questioned it, but who knows?
a.
I know. I am attending both the IEEE 802 Plenary meetings
and the IETF
meetings for many years. I can witness first hand that the
situation
is much worse at the IETF meetings than at the IEEE ones.
Practically,
the network is perfect at most IEEE meetings. True, I
believe that
they are outsourcing the network deployment and its
maintenance during the meeting.
As I will be attending the IEEE 802 meeting next week (in
Vancouver,
but at a different hotel) I will be able to report by the
end of the
week how it was. Anyway, it hardly can be worse than at the
IETF meeting.
During this whole IETF week I could almost never connect
during the
meetings. I had to wait for the lunch break when everybody
was away,
or to go to my room (at the 7th floor in the tower) to be able to
connect to the IETF wireless network.
Regards,
Dan
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