Re: Ietf Digest, Vol 21, Issue 63

While we are on the subject, in the archives of the IETF there areproceedings of one Internet Architecture Task Force meeting, in May,1986.


Can anyone fill me in on this entity and what happened to it ?

Regards
Marshall Eubanks

On Jan 16, 2006, at 2:51 PM, Patrice Lyons wrote:

Bob,

They are talking about the first IETF meeting as taking place onJan. 16, 1986. What about the IETF meeting as one of the severaltask forces that Barry Leiner put together while you were still atDARPA? There was also the working group series that preceded theIETF. I recall that Jon Postel had kept the records of this workon the early Internet. Also, do you plan to go to Dallas? Thelast message to Harold mentions some agreement reached at Tuniswith respect to IETF work with the to be formed Internet GovernanceForum (at least I think that is what it is going to be called) (seeearly work on it at http://www.intgovforum.org/.


Patrice
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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:14:48 +0100
From: Brian E Carpenter <brc(_at_)zurich(_dot_)ibm(_dot_)com>
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Greetings,

The first IETF meeting took place 20 years ago today,
on January 16th, 1986, in San Diego, California. There were
21 attendees and Mike Corrigan was in the chair.

The IETF has come a long way since then. We'll celebrate
this in fine style during the 65th IETF meeting in
Dallas, Texas from March 19 to 24, 2006.

   Brian Carpenter
   IETF Chair No. 6

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 12:30:13 +0100
From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald(_at_)alvestrand(_dot_)no>
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Happy birthday, IETF!

And remember to raise an extra toast to Mike St. Johns, who should be

coming to his 63rd or so IETF meeting in Dallas..... for some ofus, this

has gotten to be a habit!

Wonder how many of the original 21 are still around????

            Harald, attendee since #22 (but missed #29)

--On 16. januar 2006 11:14 +0100 Brian E Carpenter<brc(_at_)zurich(_dot_)ibm(_dot_)com>

wrote:

Greetings,

The first IETF meeting took place 20 years ago today,
on January 16th, 1986, in San Diego, California. There were
21 attendees and Mike Corrigan was in the chair.

The IETF has come a long way since then. We'll celebrate
this in fine style during the 65th IETF meeting in
Dallas, Texas from March 19 to 24, 2006.

    Brian Carpenter
    IETF Chair No. 6



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--On mandag, januar 16, 2006 09:39:36 -0500 Noel Chiappa
<jnc(_at_)mercury(_dot_)lcs(_dot_)mit(_dot_)edu> wrote:

    > From: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <harald(_at_)alvestrand(_dot_)no>

    > Wonder how many of the original 21 are still around????

You rang? :-)


That's one :-)

The minutes of the first meeting are now online (scanned PDF)(!),and there

the attendees are listed as:

Braun, Hans-Werner
Bresica, Mike
Callon, Ross
Chiappa, Noel
Eldridge, Charles
Gross, Phill
Hinden, Robert
Mathis, James
Mills, David
Nagle, John
Natalie, Ronald
Rokitansky, Carl
Shacham, Nachum
Su, Zaw-Sing
Topolcic, Claudio
Zhang, Lixia

Clark, David
Corrigan, Mike
Deering, Steve
Means, Robert
St. Johns, Mike

The only email address that *might* still work is Hans-WernerBraun's....

none of the others have FQDNs.....





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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:30:13 +0100
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At 12:30 16/01/2006, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote:

Happy birthday, IETF!


Dear Harald,
you are right, happy birthday! An impressive continuity we should
strive to protect. In avoiding the status quo that some stakeholders
may favor, and areas outside of network engineering (such as
linguistic and country political definition :-)).

Wonder how many of the original 21 are still around????
Harald, attendee since #22 (but missed #29)


Impressive. My own agenda that sad fortnight might help better
understand the past, present and future of the network.

- on 12-15 January 1986 I attended the eight Telecommunications
Council Eighth Annual Conference at he Hawaiian Regent Hotel in
Honolulu. The theme was  "Evolution of the Digital Pacific". Audience
was probably 200 to 300 people. I had a lunch there with two lady
training consultant for the US Army TV network, to discuss how to

support their program on packet switch network, with CompressionLab tools.

- on the 16 I had a diner at the Bonaventure (LA) with Father Bourret
(http://www.kuangchi.com/english/history.htm). On the agenda: packet

switching in TW and a Vatican State International Packet SwitchGateway

- then I brought international data services experience in meetings
with an LA based Bank and for a complete turn-key online banking
service to a group NY banks. Multi-currency accounts, ATM
connections. I explained our experience with air-line reservation
services for most of the major airlines, hotels chains and
rent-a-cars, and how it worked at regular Travel Agents using a
service you would call a smart OPES today.
- met with Mobil Oil international communications manager (NY) and
routine meetings with the International Carriers. I was in Washington
on the 28th.

We used to refer to ARPANET as the "grand father" :-). Minitel users
were probably already 3 millions in France, plus Prestel in UK, plus
Germany, etc.. Over these 20 years since these Tymnet times, OSI,
then the Internet made us to step from 7+ to 70+ to 700+ millions of
active users worldwide.

But you may understand why I feel the architectural evolution is
sometimes dismaying and why constraints and rigidity cannot bring
innovation and expansion. We need now another technology leap frog
towards the 7+ billions users.

Only a multilingual, multinational, multilateral, multitechnology,
multiservice continuity architecture can deliver now.
Good luck to everyone for the next decade which will be decisive.

I do hope you will permit it to be in cooperation with the IGF,. That
we can proceed fast on a stable, reasonable and acceptable equal
opportunity but competitive fair basis. As we all agreed in Tunis.
jfc



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