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Re: IETF Last Call under RFC 3683 concerning JFC (Jefsey) Morfin

2006-01-23 21:39:02
Dave Crocker writes:

There is a basic difference between preventing the expression of an opinion,
idea or the like, versus preventing what is effectively a denial of service
attack on the conduct of group business.

Yes.  A denial of service attack is a technical attack on a server or
network that effectively halts or dramatically interferes with normal
traffic or transactions.  An expression of an opinion or idea never
does this.

An organization like the IETF absolutely MUST encourage the former.  But it
cannot survive any sustained amount of the latter.

Well, when the mailing list receives 200 messages a second from the
same source, certainly it can take action.  There are laws against
that sort of DoS in most jurisdictions.

Yes, one can no doubt construct all sorts of scenarios that are in a gray area
between the two.

No, there's no gray area between the two.  It's pretty easy to see
when a network is down or a server is stalled because of a DoS attack,
and it has nothing in common with an expression of opinion or ideas.

In other words, the excesses that constitute a "violation" need to
be huge.

No, they just need to be true DoS attacks, not expressions of
unpopular opinions that are being falsely characterized as DoS attacks
in order to rationalize censorship.

It is difficult to imagine any reasonable person looking at the
particulars of the current case and having even the slightest doubt
that things are far, far beyond any possible gray area.

I don't see any DoS.  I don't think anyone expressing an opinion can
type fast enough to create one.


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