Re: I-D ACTION:draft-alvestrand-ipod-01.txt

Disclaimer: I haven't read Harald's document yet.

On Saturday, May 27, 2006 07:00:07 AM -0700 Dave Crocker 
<dhc2(_at_)dcrocker(_dot_)net> wrote:
> 3. The question is how the title of the series will actually be
> interpreted by average folk on the Internet, not what you might have
> intended.
Average folk on the Internet have never even _heard_ of the IETF, let alone 
understand the difference between the IETF, IESG, etc.  I'd expect the 
majority of those who have to interpret "IETF Operationsl Notes" as "notes 
about the operation of the IETF".  A few may interpret the series title to 
mean "notes from the IETF about the operation of the Internet".  For anyone 
not involved in the IETF, the first meaning is sufficient, and they're not 
going to care what the process is for approving new ION's or updates to 
existing ones, or how that impacts the title.
I think it's been stated several times that the intent is not to grant 
sweeping new powers to the IESG, but to have a document series which 
encompasses _all_ of our process, practices, and procedures, regardless of 
approval level.  For the purpose of a process experiment, I think we can 
apply a fairly simple rule - if it would have required a BCP before, it 
still requires IETF concensus onder the experiment; the document just gets 
published in the new series instead of the old one.  Anything that 
previously would not have required a BCP still doesn't.
For the long term, if the experiment proves successful, we probably need a 
more well-defined policy.  One approach might be to adopt a model in which 
all authority derives from the IETF, by IETF consensus model.  So, anything 
which changes he structure or overall process of the IETF requires IETF 
consensus, but bodies like the IESG, IAB, or IAOC can publish documents on 
policy or procedure which they are empowered by IETF process to set (e.g. 
IESG balloting procedures, i-d nits, or criteria for selecting meeting 
locations) or which are descriptive rather than prescriptive (e.g. the 
Tao).  This probably needs to be formulated better, but I don't think it's 
necessary to wait for that before beginning the experiment.
-- Jeff

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