Re: On being public (Was: Call for Nominees)

You are right about disclosure but Its much more than just about candidates. 
The IESG is not the FISA Court and the proceedings of all IETF/IESG/IAB and 
TRUST meetings need to be open as well and logged by an official secretary 
so they like every other thing that happens in the Management of the IETF 
and its IP is transcribed as part of the IETF's Official Record.

Todd Glassey
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alper Yegin" <alper(_dot_)yegin(_at_)yegin(_dot_)org>
To: "'Pete Resnick'" <presnick(_at_)qualcomm(_dot_)com>; "'IETF'" 
<ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:48 PM
Subject: RE: On being public (Was: Call for Nominees)


I agree 100%.

Keeping the candidates secret when the community was supposed to provide
feedback about the candidates never made sense to me.

If the reasons listed below are the only ones, IMHO the current scheme is
more harmful than beneficial.

When the candidates are secret, then campaigning becomes the only way to
bring in the support. And of course only the good campaigners take 
advantage
of that.

Is embarrassment of not being the chosen one such a big factor that IETF
would lose good candidates? I wonder if this is an IETF thing, or if there
are other similar examples elsewhere, especially with the same
justification.

I think we should have an "open" approach here.


Alper

-----Original Message-----
From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of
Pete Resnick
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 6:26 AM
To: IETF
Subject: On being public (Was: Call for Nominees)

On 9/12/08 at 9:46 AM -0700, NomCom Chair wrote:

If you are willing to serve, please nominate yourself.
If there is someone you think would do a good job, please nominate them.


I'd like to take this opportunity to encourage people to do something
more open and transparent than we have in the past, without any
changes to rules or NomCom activity.

As we all know, the NomCom process is confidential. That is, whatever
one says to the NomCom with regard to nominees cannot be revealed by
the NomCom. That's a good idea: People need to be frank and honest
without worrying about jeopardizing personal relationships. However,
the confidentiality requirement has always also been read to mean
that the list of nominees must also be kept confidential. That's not
entirely clear in RFC 3777, but that's always been the practice. (I
believe the intent was to dissuade any kind of "campaigning", to
avoid discomfort about "running against" an incumbent or popular
nominee, as well as avoiding embarrassment for nominees who are not
chosen.) But this has a terrible side effect: The NomCom is unable to
get full feedback on nominees, both in the positive and the negative.
If you are unaware that Joe is up for the Foobar Area Director, you
may not have the opportunity to say to the NomCom, "Wow! It never
even occurred to me to think of Joe as a potential Foobar AD. He'd be
perfect!" Or conversely, "It never occurred to me that anyone
(including Joe himself) would seriously consider him for Foobar AD.
He'd be a disaster!"

There are just so many resources the NomCom has at its disposal to
get good information about nominees. We want folks who could provide
feedback to take the initiative, but they're really only going to do
so if they know who has their hat in the ring.

Though I think campaigning should be avoided, I think the other
issues surrounding revealing the names of nominees are not all that
problematic:

- We should all get over the notion that any particular nominee "must
obviously be chosen". It may turn out (perhaps on the *day* that the
NomCom is making their decision) that our favorite cannot serve
because they lose all funding in their current position, or change
jobs and no longer have the ability to serve, or die unexpectedly.
(And these things have happened.) We should be able to comment on all
of the candidates on the off chance that they are the NomCom's
apparent best choice.

- The fact that the NomCom must keep the reasons for *not* choosing
any particular candidate confidential mitigates the embarrassment of
not being chosen.

Obviously we can't change 3777 for this NomCom. However, there is
nothing in 3777 or elsewhere that *requires* any nominee to keep
their own nomination confidential. So, I'd like to encourage nominees
to be public. Here's what I have in mind: If you've been nominated,
post a simple message to the IETF list of the following form:

"My name was submitted to the NomCom for the position of <Foobar AD>,
and I've told the NomCom I'm willing to be considered. Of course,
this is no guarantee that if I get selected, I'd still be able to
serve. Please send them whatever positive or negative feedback you
have."

End of message. No commentary on why you'd be wonderful (or terrible)
for the job. Just inviting people to comment.

Thoughts on this?

pr
--
Pete Resnick <http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>
Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: (858)651-1102
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