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Re: Unicode.org Software Internationalisation Standards &Specifications

2008-11-02 07:49:08
Doug, Thanks for your response that shows your knowledge and expertise about 
internet / computer things, common sense, organisational topics and also the 
replacing k/K to unicode 0915 glyph shape issue.

"........You might as well send your message to your MP or to the Queen, for 
all the good it will do to send it to IETF."

Airing the issue to the internet / computer community.


"I don't speak for their mailing-list administrator........."

The Unicode.org website home page copy that I quoted is not factual.


"Accusing an organization of process failure and insensitivity and stubbornness 
is not usually a productive way to get them to come around to your point of 
view."

The Unicode.org website page copy that I quoted is not factual.


"You have stipulated that this constitutes........"

The Unicode.org website page copy that I quoted is not factual.  There should 
be some limitations.  They don't have a demo that proves the first quote and 
the Unicode.org is not a framework.


".......You are accusing Unicode of things it is not responsible for.  This is 
like blaming the weatherman when it rains."

The Unicode.org website page copy that I quoted is not factual.  There should 
be some limitations.  They should clarify what they are not responsible for.  
Their home page copy that I quoted is a trap for Unicode.org and readers.


"You are trying to change the basic form of a letter that has existed in the 
Latin alphabet for over two thousand years, on the basis of an association 
between the K glyph and the intersection of three rivers, derived loosely from 
a secondary Krishna text.  ["that the letter K represents suicide and needs to 
be changed"] You are trying to change the basic form of a letter recognized by 
billions of people, and one of your first moves is to approach an international 
standards-making organization, which does NOT standardize the Latin alphabet 
itself and is NOT in the business of deciding what letters are supposed to look 
like, and accuse them of improper conduct because they do not immediately 
modify their charts and develop new fonts based on your views, which so far I 
have only heard from ONE person.  To say you are outside the mainstream would 
be a serious understatement."

The latin / roman k/K letter needs to be replaced to another shape for reasons 
you know.  You have to understand that issue is beyond organisational 
management because it is related to human life.  Approaching Unicode.org and 
IETF.org was essential because they claim to have various controls over 
internet / computer transmitted language.  Some helpful interim things should 
be put in place, leadership and management is much needed.  Unicode.org website 
home page communicates the wrong impression and they should correct that. 


"Style of what?....Content of what?  The standard is described in excruciating 
detail at http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode5.1.0/ ......Unicode doesn't 
tell people how to design user interfaces.  That is completely up to 
application developers, as it should be.....See 
http://www.unicode.org/consortium/join.html .....Unicode doesn't tell people 
how to build applications, whether open-source or proprietary.  Do you feel it 
should?"

Thus Unicode.org has not any framework.  Certain programmers thus become 
baffled.  The Unicode.org home page copy that I quoted is not factual.  There 
should be some limitations. 


"It does not say that it will take you by the hand and show you how to program, 
configure, or use a computer in any language."

Unicode.org are unjustly saying things on the website home page copy that I 
quoted, they are not communicating there what they are not responsible for.  
They are leaving this to other imaginations and trapping themselves and others.


"Unicode makes it possible to put tens of thousands of different characters on 
a .....a plain-text document"  

I refer to .txt files, are you also suggesting that you can put save a .txt 
file on the computer that has unicode 0915 glyph shape?


"What sort of "framework" are you looking for to accomplish your goals? Be 
specific, please, for once."

I was being specific that there is not any framework about Style, Content, User 
Interface, Membership and Extensions, these generic areas that can help 
Software Internationalisation otherwise certain programmers would not get 
baffled for example at particular opensource code applications when they are 
asked to remove all k/K letters and replace them with unicode 0915 glyph shape. 
 There should be some catch-all process / principle at header and footer of a 
code for example BBCode / HTML has this and this principle perhaps should be 
considered to ease the burden.  I am not a coder / programmer thus I am not 
sure whether this way is possible.


"......It can *only* mean granting of favors, such as employment or political 
status, to personal relatives regardless of their qualifications.  You can say 
"corporate nepotism" if you like and English speakers will automatically 
interpret this as "someone in a corporation was made vice-president because he 
was someone else's brother, not because he deserved it."  Nobody will interpret 
this as "collusion between corporations" or "unfair bias."  You need to pick 
another word that really means what you want it to mean.  Nobody can stop you 
from misusing this word if you insist, but they are within their rights to 
laugh and ignore you."

I saw the Wikipedia "nepotism" meaning and it includes "friends" not only 
"relatives."  Thus "nepotism" is a problem at organisational and corporate 
networks.  This includes Unicode.org and IETF.org.  Leadership and management 
are required to prevent this.  


"When the day comes when you convince a SIGNIFICANT number of Latin-script 
users, worldwide, that the letter K represents suicide and needs to be changed, 
THEN it is time to approach the standards organizations *respectfully* and ask 
them to make changes that reflect a change that a SIGNIFICANT number of people 
have already adopted.  It needs to be something people see in newspapers and on 
street signs and on television.  Until then, this effort will not be seen 
constructively."

I repeat.....The latin / roman k/K letter needs to be replaced to another shape 
for reasons you know.  You have to understand that issue is beyond 
organisational management because it is related to human life.  Approaching 
Unicode.org and IETF.org was essential because they claim to have various 
controls over internet / computer transmitted language.  Some helpful interim 
things should be put in place, leadership and management is much needed.  
Unicode.org website home page communicates the wrong impression and they should 
correct that.


John,  Thanks for your response.

Unicode.org don't want to listen anymore when it relates to their website home 
page because they blocked my message to the mailing list that was critical 
about this.  Unicode.org should say categorically they are not responsible for 
framework.  However they are communicating the wrong impression to the internet 
/ computer community.




Regards


Meeku
http://twitter.com/nepotism




      
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