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Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: The IETF Trustees invite your comments on revised proposed legend text to work-around the Pre-5378 Problem

2009-01-23 01:16:16


--On Friday, January 23, 2009 0:29 -0500 Ed Juskevicius
<edj(_dot_)etc(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:

This message is in follow-up to the IETF Trustees' request for
community review (announced on January 6, 2009) on some new
legend text intended to help authors work around the "pre-5378
problem".  
... 
The updated proposed legend text based on the discussion to
date is as follows: 

This document may contain material from IETF Documents or IETF
Contributions published or made publicly available before
November 10, 2008. The person(s) controlling the copyright in
some of this material may not have granted the IETF Trust the
right to allow modifications of such material outside the IETF
Standards Process. Without obtaining an adequate license from
the person(s) controlling the copyright in such materials,
this document may not be modified outside the IETF Standards
Process, and derivative works of it may not be created outside
the IETF Standards Process, except to format it for
publication as an RFC and to translate it into languages other
than English.

Ed,

I can live with this and believe that getting something workable
that will unlock the posting queue approved is more important
that getting the wording exactly right.  And that general
observation and preferences applies to the comment I'm about to
make.

The first sentences of this are fine.  However, I wonder if
"Without obtaining... this document may not be modified
outside..." is a stronger assertion than the Trust is in a
position to make.  Would it not be preferable (and several words
shorter) to just say something like "The IETF Trust cannot give
permission for modifications of this document outside the IETF
Standards Process, nor for derivative works outside the IETF
Standards Process, except ..." (translated into appropriate
legal language, of course).  

That way, you are giving no advice at all about licenses or
people who might have rights.  You also aren't telling people
what they can't do, only what you don't have enough permission
or ownership to tell them they can do.   That just feels better
to me.

But, again, if the Trustees and Counsel are happy with the text
as circulated, I'm in favor of it and opposed to your even
considering the above comments if your doing so would result in
any additional delay in legitimizing the workaround.

    john


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