Institute the policy as you suggest and you have just given the patent
trolls the power to place an indefinite hold on any IETF proposal.
So instead of extorting payment for exercise of the claims they hold the
standard hostage.
-----Original Message-----
From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
[mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On
Behalf Of Lawrence Rosen
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:28 PM
To: 'Paul Hoffman'; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RE: Consensus Call for draft-housley-tls-authz
Lawrence Rosen wrote:
If we use different terminology to identify this IETF RFC,
how does
that
change anything?
Paul Hoffman replied:
Because you earlier complained about IETF standards having known
patent issues. Now we are talking about experimental protocols that
are not standards.
And I am saying that it doesn't make a bit of difference
legally. If you infringe for experimental reasons, that is
still infringement.
I don't think we should publish under the IETF imprimatur if there are
*unresolved* known patent issues about which ignorant and
cautious people continue to speculate blindly. Why should any
of us waste time and money on IETF and commercial and FOSS
"experiments" if they may cost us too much money downstream?
Its authors are free to publish draft-housley-tls-authz
already. Google is free to index that document already. Why
do you insist upon granting it an IETF RFC status without
first deciding if the disclosed patent claims are likely bogus?
/Larry
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hoffman [mailto:paul(_dot_)hoffman(_at_)vpnc(_dot_)org]
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:31 AM
To: lrosen(_at_)rosenlaw(_dot_)com; ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
Subject: RE: Consensus Call for draft-housley-tls-authz
At 10:22 AM -0700 3/10/09, Lawrence Rosen wrote:
If we use different terminology to identify this IETF RFC,
how does
that
change anything?
Because you earlier complained about IETF standards having known
patent issues. Now we are talking about experimental protocols that
are not standards.
--Paul Hoffman, Director
--VPN Consortium
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