RE: Ietf Digest, Vol 10, Issue 76

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> Subject: Ietf Digest, Vol 10, Issue 76
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> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 20:05:32 -0700
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> 1. Proposal RE: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"
> (Hallam-Baker, Phillip)
> 2. Re: IPR/Copyright (SM)
> 3. request for community assistance regarding TICTOC
> requirements (Yaakov Stein)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:51:18 -0700
> From: "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <pbaker(_at_)verisign(_dot_)com>
> Subject: Proposal RE: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"
> To: "Von Wootten, Karl" 
> <Karl(_dot_)vonWootten(_at_)det(_dot_)nsw(_dot_)edu(_dot_)au>, "Ole
> Jacobsen" <ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>, "Dean Anderson" 
> <dean(_at_)av8(_dot_)com>
> Cc: ietf-honest(_at_)lists(_dot_)iadl(_dot_)org, Fred Baker 
> <fred(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>, IETF
> Discussion Mailing List <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
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> I suggest that all mail that is cross posted to Mr Andreson IETF-Honest or 
> whatever other spam list Mr Spammer decides to create be blocked from all 
> IETF lists.
>
> That way any IETF-er who feeds the troll will not anoy the rest. And any 
> IETF-er who blacklists Mr Spammer and his spam lists will have an 
> Anderson-free experience.
>
> Since Mr Spammer's objective here is to cause the spillover into the IETF 
> list, it is my expectation that he will cease this particular tactic.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
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> From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org on behalf of Von Wootten, Karl
> Sent: Tue 3/24/2009 7:29 PM
> To: 'Ole Jacobsen'; Dean Anderson
> Cc: ietf-honest(_at_)lists(_dot_)iadl(_dot_)org; Fred Baker; 'IETF Discussion 
> Mailing List'
> Subject: RE: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"
>
>
>
> Dean,
> I feel that this issue has gone on Long enough It seems to me that by not 
> allowing people to opt out and by unsolicited subscriptions you are only 
> damaging your own reputation. I read what is posted to the lists I subscribe 
> to so that I can do my job better. Not to waste time with these silly flame 
> wars. Can we please put an end to this?
>
> Karl von Wootten
> System Engineer Infrastructure Services
> NSW Department of Education and Training
> Ph: 02 84254515
> Mob: 0406 996 300
> Fax: 02 9942 9638
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
> [mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of Ole Jacobsen
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2009 9:41 AM
> To: Dean Anderson
> Cc: ietf-honest(_at_)lists(_dot_)iadl(_dot_)org; Fred Baker; 'IETF Discussion 
> Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: Subscriptions to "ietf-honest"
>
> Dean,
>
> The web interface is broken. I don't have the initial password and it
> won't send me a new one.
>
> Please cease and desist this nonsense and unsubscribe me promptly, I
> never asked to be on your list, nor did anyone else that you added.
>
> You're a spammer, plain and simple.
>
> Ole
>
> Ole J. Jacobsen
> Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal
> Cisco Systems
> Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
> E-mail: ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
>
>
> On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Dean Anderson wrote:
>
> > The password was sent in the subscription mail. The mailing list
> > manager is GNU mailman, which is the same software many of the IETF
> > lists uses, including IETF(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org(_dot_) List management is 
> > the same, and
> > the welcome message includes the password. In addition, mailman provides
> > a web interface, which can be found at:
> >
> > List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.iadl.org/mailman/options/ietf-honest>,
> > <mailto:ietf-honest-request(_at_)lists(_dot_)iadl(_dot_)org?subject=unsubscribe>
> > List-Archive: <http://lists.iadl.org/pipermail/ietf-honest>
> > List-Post: <mailto:ietf-honest(_at_)lists(_dot_)iadl(_dot_)org>
> > List-Help: 
> > <mailto:ietf-honest-request(_at_)lists(_dot_)iadl(_dot_)org?subject=help>
> > List-Subscribe: <http://lists.iadl.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-honest>,
> > <mailto:ietf-honest-request(_at_)lists(_dot_)iadl(_dot_)org?subject=subscribe>
> >
> > RFC2369 headers are included in each list message.
> >
> > Logs show that Ole Jacobsen was added on February 28, 2009, after a post
> > to the IETF list.
> >
> > --Dean
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 24 Mar 2009, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
> >
> > > I think he added the ietf list as a whole. When I tried to
> > > unsubscribe it said I needed a password which it never sent,
> > > so I assume I am not "on" his list the strict sense.
> > >
> > > Ole
> > >
> > > Ole J. Jacobsen
> > > Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal
> > > Cisco Systems
> > > Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
> > > E-mail: ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009, Fred Baker wrote:
> > >
> > > > well, question. Did he actually do that, or did he make a mailing list 
> > > > that
> > > > has one member - the IETF list - to which he can add other members as he
> > > > chooses?
> > > >
> > > > You may recall that at some point in the past we had the opposite. 
> > > > Someone set
> > > > up a mailing list that was subscribed to ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org and 
> > > > filtered some of
> > > > our more interesting personalities. Folks that subscribed to it go a 
> > > > feed
> > > > without the comments of (or replies to) those individuals. Many moved 
> > > > their
> > > > subscriptions.
> > > >
> > > > Are you asking the Trust, or the IETF leadership, to send a cease and 
> > > > desist
> > > > letter?
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 23, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I was auto-subscribed to Dean's "ietf-honest" mailing
> > > > > list, and I'm unhappy about it. I don't know what his
> > > > > current status is with regard to the ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> > > > > mailing list but I think he's pretty clearly abusing
> > > > > this mailing list by snagging names from it and
> > > > > putting us on his mailing list without asking. I'm also
> > > > > not thrilled that the "welcome" message he sends out
> > > > > fails to clearly identify who's sending it and that
> > > > > he does not represent the IETF. This is a small problem
> > > > > but a problem nonetheless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Melinda
> > > > > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:12:10 -0700
> From: SM <sm(_at_)resistor(_dot_)net>
> Subject: Re: IPR/Copyright
> To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
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> At 16:35 24-03-2009, John C Klensin wrote:
> > I just attended the IPR ("Pre-5398 Problem") BOF and want to
> > share an impression and suggestion.
> >
> > While one could debate details of text and procedures endlessly,
> > reopen old battles, etc., there is really only one issue at
> > this point, and that issue is whether the community wants to
> >
> > * try to accelerate the transition toward 5378 by
> > obligating authors to make a serious attempt to get
> > signoff from previous contributors or
> >
> > * treat documents that contain pre-5398 material as
> > provided for in the workaround, i.e., authors obtain all
> > of the rights if they are willing to do that but
> > otherwise just insert the workaround text and move on.
> That would be the "minimum solution". It does not require authors 
> to act as lawyers, hire lawyers, or perform a risk assessment to 
> figure out what they need to do.
>
> > I note that, if the community's preference is really the second
> > choice, then we are finished. The Trustees would presumably
> > follow the general rough consensus on this list, interpret the
> > existing workaround as permanent, and we would all move on.
> There is no pressing copyright problem to solve as there is the 
> existing workaround. Unless there is a compelling reason for the 
> first choice, I don't see a need to spend more time on this issue.
>
> Regards,
> -sm 
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 05:06:01 +0200
> From: Yaakov Stein <yaakov_s(_at_)rad(_dot_)com>
> Subject: request for community assistance regarding TICTOC
> requirements
> To: "ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org" <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
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> Hi all,
>
> The TICTOC WG is finalizing the scope of its requirements draft.
>
> As of now the draft has information regarding the timing requirements for
> - Cellular Backhauling
> - Circuit Emulation
> - Test and Measurement
> - ToD over the general Internet
> we have still unintegrated information for
> - Sensor networks
> - Legal uses of time
> - Industrial Automation
> and we have removed two applications for lack of interest or feasibility
> - Remote Telco
> - Electric power distribution.
>
> We are still soliciting help in gathering requirements information for
> - Uses of precise time in networking
> - Metrology
> If anyone can help in these latter applications, please contact the TICTOC 
> chairs.
> If no interest is expressed, we intend removing these applications from the 
> list
> of applications being considered.
>
> In addition, if someone feels we missed an application that requires
> distribution of timing information, it is possibly not too late to consider 
> its inclusion.
>
> Thanks
>
> Y(J)S
>
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