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Re: Legality of IETF meetings in PRC. Was: Re: Request for community guidance on issue concerning a future meeting of the IETF

2009-10-08 21:49:18
In propaganda, your statement would probably be considered a black and white 
fallacy.  In symbolic logic, it would just be a fallacy.

For your statement to be always true, the first clause would have to read

"Since the IETF ONLY discusses how to make the Internet better and nothing 
else"   and it would also have to imply that "nothing the the IETF discusses to 
make the Internet better could be considered as any other class of discussion"

Unfortunately, our discussions are not so limited... and I'm pretty sure you 
know that.    

With respect to the US or for that matter to any of our hosts in the past, show 
me the contract language, laws, or other indication where things normally 
discussed or designed at an IETF would be considered illegal.  I know of none 
and I've been around for most of the meetings going back 23 years.


At 08:45 PM 10/8/2009, Patrick Suger wrote:

2009/10/9 Michael StJohns 
<<mailto:mstjohns(_at_)comcast(_dot_)net>mstjohns(_at_)comcast(_dot_)net>
So no, we're not treating China unfairly in this discussion.  We're not 
holding China to a higher standard, we're questioning - as we must for due 
diligence - whether the standard to which they want to hold the IETF is too 
high or too disjoint from the normal set of standards and practices for IETF 
meetings.


Since the IETF discusses how to make the Internet work better, the only reason 
why IETF members could feel worried is that they would intend to discuss how 
to build a better working Internet that would be prohibited in China? Either 
this means considering splitting the Internet from 1/3 of its users. Or that 
the IETF can develop standards that do not take local users' legitimate and/or 
legal needs into consideration. Or did I miss something? What about the 
legality of a similar case in the USA? 

Patrick Suger

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