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Re: China Visas

2010-07-28 21:07:47

Yes. Now a support letter from your compnay seems to be essential. Don't leave 
home without it :)

 

From: Clint Chaplin [mailto:clint(_dot_)chaplin(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:02 PM
To: Ole Jacobsen <ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> 
Cc: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>; JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es> 
Subject: Re: China Visas 
 

Ole,
 
My intent in my previous email was not to point out possible differences 
between US and non-US citizens.  The point was (and is) that the rules for US 
citizens seems to have recently changed, and as far as the SF consulate was 
concerned, they did not want an invitation letter for a business visa.  Only a 
letter from my employer.


On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Ole Jacobsen <ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> wrote:


        Clint,
        
        I am not suggesting that the requirements have changed, what I am
        suggesting is that the rules are not the same for US vs non-US
        citizens (the price certainly isn't ;-) and that this may lead
        you to get a visa which expires before you get to China. This
        happened to me once and the consulate very graciously and carefully
        removed the visa sticker and refunded the application fee. My
        confusing was the "When do you intend to arrive in China?" question.
        This date is NOT used in any way to determine the start date of the
        visa, so beware.
        
        Getting a tourist visa is perfectly fine according to our host and
        this does not require you to get an invitation letter, you're just
        required to submit proof that you did leave the hotel and visit
        tourist spots, start here:
        
        http://www.yikes.com/~ole/Beijing2009/IMG_3858-l.html
        
        :-) OK,  I am kidding, but do please take some time to see Beijing!!
        The Chinese food is WAY better than what you're used to from home.
        

        Ole
        
        
        Ole J. Jacobsen
        Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
        Cisco Systems
        Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
        E-mail: ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
        
        
        
        
        On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, Clint Chaplin wrote:
        
        > I applied to the SF consulate through a passport agency for a visa 
for a
        > trip in March.
        >
        > At that time the passport agency let me know that the consulate did 
not need
        > or want an invitation letter.  All they required was a letter from my
        > employer stating that they will guarantee my return, and asking for 
the visa
        > level that I required.
        >
        > My letter from my employer asked for a one year multiple entry visa.  
I got
        > it.
        >
        > I'm a US citizen.  The requirements seem to have changed.
        >
        > On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Ole Jacobsen 
<ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> wrote:
        >
        > >
        > > Jordi,
        > >
        > > I recommend you apply for a visa whenever it is convenient for you 
and
        > > when it will work according to the rules that apply (typically) for
        > > visas for Spain and that you go the tourist visa route since that 
type
        > > is "easy". As discussed many months ago on this list, it is 
extremely
        > > difficult to give instructions beyond "check with your local 
consulate
        > > or embassy" for the exact rules and typical durations of the visa.
        > >
        > > In my case, for example, the duration typically granted by San
        > > Francisco (where I can walk into the consulate, past a certain group
        > > of prot..., oh, never mind) is DIFFERENT from Los Angeles, at least 
so
        > > I have been told by the visa wizards.
        > >
        > > Americans can typically get 6 months duration visas, but they pay 
$130
        > > whereas I only pay $30. Nice arrangement, eh?
        > >
        > > :-)
        > >
        > > Ole
        > >
        > >
        > > Ole J. Jacobsen
        > > Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
        > > Cisco Systems
        > > Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
        > > E-mail: ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
        > >
        > > > Hi Ole,
        > > >
        > > > In my case, I've been able to get a Chinese VISA in 3 previous 
occasions,
        > > > more than 4 months in advance, which is also my typical average 
to by
        > > > flights, book hotels, and so on to obtain lower fares. So should 
work
        > > also
        > > > this time.
        > > >
        > > > >From now to the next IETF meeting in China, I've only 1 slot of
        > > 7-on-a-row
        > > > days at home, and during this week I also need to renew my 
passport
        > > (because
        > > > the typical rule of expiry 6 months after the end of your trip), 
which in
        > > > Spain, fortunately takes only a couple of hours.
        > > >
        > > > I know, I should have asked even earlier, but was not realizing 
it will
        > > not
        > > > go online quickly after the meeting was announced.
        > > >
        > > > Regards,
        > > > Jordi
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > > From: Ole Jacobsen <ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
        > > > > Reply-To: Ole Jacobsen <ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
        > > > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:13:33 -0700 (PDT)
        > > > > To: Jordi Palet Martínez 
<jordi(_dot_)palet(_at_)consulintel(_dot_)es>
        > > > > Cc: <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>
        > > > > Subject: Re: China Visas
        > > > >
        > > > > Because many visas to China are only valid 3 months, getting 
them now
        > > > > is useless.
        > > > >
        > > > > The clock starts running when you get the visa and you must 
arrive
        > > > > before 90 days (this is for Norway, your mileage may vary). US 
folks
        > > > > seem to get 6 months ones more easily.
        > > > >
        > > > > Ole
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Ole J. Jacobsen
        > > > > Editor and Publisher,  The Internet Protocol Journal
        > > > > Cisco Systems
        > > > > Tel: +1 408-527-8972   Mobile: +1 415-370-4628
        > > > > E-mail: ole(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com  URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > >> For some of us traveling a lot, the only available time to get 
the
        > > VISA for
        > > > >> next meeting will be vacations period in the next couple of 
weeks.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> However, I still don't see this being available in the meeting 
page.
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Can we please make sure to provide this in the next couple of 
days ?
        > > > >>
        > > > >> Regards,
        > > > >> Jordi
        > > > >>
        > > > >>
        > > > >>
        > > > >>
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        > SISA
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Clint (JOATMON) Chaplin
Principal Engineer
Corporate Standardization (US)
SISA


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