At 12:39 PM 11/29/2010, Tobias Gondrom wrote:
Bob,
agree with James request for more detail on the used day passes, if
possible.
Personally, I believe the risen cost for day passes probably knocked out
some of the demand (basic supply-demand curve from economics ;-) ).
Probably day passes are more attractive to local participants who want
to get a taste of the IETF or only visit one WG session. And in
particular in China the cost of $350 is very high compared to local
salary levels, so am not surprised about the decline.
Well, I think $350 is high for any country for a day-pass. So IMO
that should be lowered regardless...
My personal view of day passes would be to allow first-time visitors
(especially when from the local area) to get a taste of work with the
IETF and reduce the initial hurdle.
this is actually an interesting idea - to give legitimate
first-timers a price break (and I'm talking about for the week, not
just day-passes). That might increase overall the numbers of local
attendees (i.e., from that country - where the travel costs aren't as
great because the airfare isn't as much or there is no airfare at
all). Has this been considered?
James
In this regard I welcome the day
passes and would even like to see them with lower prices. Not sure if
others would share this point of view.
But if we would have a common understanding on the purpose of day
passes, we could even tailor the experiment a bit to be more targeted:
e.g. only offer day passes to local newbies at a lower rate (in the $200
range or below) on conditions of only one day pass per person, only for
first time IETF attendance (have never attended an IETF before) and
maybe only if you live in hosting country or region (I figure we have
the list of past participants so could actually easily verify such
conditions).
Just my 5 cents.
Many greetings, Tobias
On 11/22/2010 09:28 PM, James M. Polk wrote:
> Bob
>
> Is there any data to tell us whether these one-day passes were
> targeting a specific WG or day of converged scheduling in which a key
> number of WGs met within an area?
>
> It might be quite useful to know if day-passers were targeting a WG
> (and if so, which WG) or were just taking in whatever was on the day
> they wanted to (or could) attend.
>
> James
>
> At 02:59 PM 11/22/2010, Bob Hinden wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As part of the IAOC presentation in Beijing, I said that the IAOC
>> will be making a decision on Day Passes in the middle of December. I
>> would like your feedback on this.
>>
>> As reported in Beijing, the goal of the Day Pass experiment is to
>> "Goal is to access convenience to IETF attendees without significant
>> impact on revenue"
>>
>> Usage has been:
>>
>> 124 in Hiroshima ($200)
>> 135 in Anaheim ($200)
>> 71 in Maastricht ($350)
>> 47 in Beijing ($350)
>>
>> While this looks like a trend toward lower usage (possibly driven by
>> higher fees), it's hard to tell if this trend will continue or reverse.
>>
>> Possible reasons to continue offering Day Passes:
>>
>> - No significant negative impact on overall revenue. Hard to tell what
>> percentage of people would buy full registration instead.
>>
>> - Useful for people buying the day passes.
>>
>> Possible reasons to discontinue offering Day Passes:
>>
>> - Caused unexpected effect on Nomcom qualification.
>>
>> - Encourages drop in for a single session and discourages full IETF
>> experience,
>> meetings in the hall, and cross area fertilization.
>>
>> - Not being used heavily.
>>
>> - Could impact revenue if usage increased.
>>
>> I appreciate you feedback. Feedback can be sent to me directly, the
>> IAOC list (iaoc(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org), or to the IETF list
(ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org). Try
>> to avoid all three :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
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