On 2/28/11 11:27 AM, Cullen Jennings wrote:
On Feb 7, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
At every step of this process, the IETF, RAI, and SIP community has
opportunity for involvement. The volume of discussion demonstrates a
non-trivial interest in this mechanism.
Hmm ... I 100% agree there has been opportunity for involvement. I am
talking about the actually involvement since the previous LC over a
year ago.
I would imagine that actual working group involvement on any draft after
IETF last call generally approaches zero. I believe this document is
rather average in that regard.
In that year, there looks to be mostly silence about any of the issues
or changes to the draft. I did not go do a good search but when I
searched for the draft name, I'm not seeing much discussion. If you
tell me 10 people were actively engaged in the last year and support
these changes, I'm happy to agree I am in the rough in the consensus
and ignore the whole thing. But if you are telling me that no one
objected, then I do not believe silence is the same as consensus.
I'm not trying to tell you that silence is consensus. In this case,
silence simply indicates that the working group thinks it is finished,
and hasn't elected to spend additional work on a completed item.
It's my experience that working groups do not generally work on
documents after they have been passed off to the IESG for publication.
This document has been in front of the IESG for the past year that you
reference. The only mailing list traffic that the working group could
have generated after publication was requested would have been cheering
from the sidelines, which isn't part of the publication process as I
understand it.
So, while your request for 10 people who have expressed interest on the
list list after IETF last call makes no sense, I *can* offer you the
following list of 35 people who participated in mailing list discussions
while the draft was still in a working group:
Adam Roach <adam(_at_)nostrum(_dot_)com>
Anders Kristensen <andersk(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
Ashish Hsaxena <ashish(_dot_)hsaxena(_at_)wipro(_dot_)com>
Attila Sipos <attila(_dot_)sipos(_at_)vegastream(_dot_)com>
Avasarala Ranjit <ranjit(_at_)motorola(_dot_)com>
Bob Penfield <BPenfield(_at_)acmepacket(_dot_)com>
Brett Tate <brett(_at_)broadsoft(_dot_)com>
Christer Holmberg <christer(_dot_)holmberg(_at_)ericsson(_dot_)com>
Cullen Jennings <fluffy(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
Dale Worley <dworley(_at_)nortel(_dot_)com>
Dean Willis <dean(_dot_)willis(_at_)softarmor(_dot_)com>
Eric Rescorla <ekr(_at_)networkresonance(_dot_)com>
Eric Wang <eric(_dot_)wangxr(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
Francois Audet <audet(_at_)nortel(_dot_)com>
Hadriel Kaplan <HKaplan(_at_)acmepacket(_dot_)com>
Hans Erik van Elburg <ietf(_dot_)hanserik(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
Ian Elz <ian(_dot_)elz(_at_)ericsson(_dot_)com>
Jeroen van Bemmel <jbemmel(_at_)zonnet(_dot_)nl>
John Elwell <john(_dot_)elwell(_at_)siemens(_dot_)com>
Juha Heinanen <jh(_at_)tutpro(_dot_)com>
Keith Drage <drage(_at_)alcatel-lucent(_dot_)com>
Martin Dolly <mdolly(_at_)att(_dot_)com>
Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
Robert Sparks <rjsparks(_at_)nostrum(_dot_)com>
Rockson Li <zhengyli(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
Sanjay Sinha <sanjsinh(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com>
Serhad Doken <sdoken(_at_)qualcomm(_dot_)com>
Spencer Dawkins <spencer(_at_)wonderhamster(_dot_)org>
Sreeram Kanumuri <sreeramk(_at_)qualcomm(_dot_)com>
Sreerekha Shenoy <sreerekha(_dot_)shenoy(_at_)wipro(_dot_)com>
Timothy M Dwight <timothy(_dot_)dwight(_at_)verizonbusiness(_dot_)com>
Tom Taylor <tom(_dot_)taylor(_at_)rogers(_dot_)com>
Vijay K. Gurbani <vkg(_at_)alcatel-lucent(_dot_)com>
Vikram Chhibber <vikram(_dot_)chhibber(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>
Ya Ching Tan <ya-ching(_dot_)tan(_at_)nsn(_dot_)com>
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