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Re: [v6ops] Last Call: <draft-ietf-v6ops-6to4-to-historic-04.txt>(Request to move Connection of IPv6 Domains via IPv4Clouds (6to4) to Historic status) to Informational RFC

2011-06-09 10:25:03
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Keith Moore 
<moore(_at_)network-heretics(_dot_)com> wrote:
On Jun 9, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Gunter Van de Velde (gvandeve) wrote:
Its 'rough' consensus...
I don't wanna rat-hole here, but imho send the draft onwards for
publication asap please.

I'm not even sure it's rough consensus within the v6ops group.  Again, 
haven't read all of the messages, but definitely get the impression that it 
falls short of consensus.

There were quite heavy discussion and in the end, there were a few
that was totally against it, the rest supported the document.

No point in repeating that entire discussion here really, go back and
look at the archive.


And just to be clear on procedure:

- you need more than rough consensus in v6ops, you need rough community-wide 
consensus.
- the criteria for standards track actions (which this is, despite the 
document being labeled as Informational) requires both rough consensus and 
technical soundness.

The best way to not rat-hole is just to drop the proposed action.


Let's take a few step back and think about what we are trying to
achieve here, what is our goal.
IPv6 for everyone for any price? A IPv6 only world? A world where both
IPv4 and IPv6 work or?

I will claim our goal is native IPv6 along IPv4, and in the long run, IPv6 only.
We don't need more tunneling of IPv6 over IPv4, that was okay 10years
ago, maybe even 5 or 3 years ago.
Now it is time to actual do the right thing and say "let's do it
properly, let's do IPv6 native".


...and stop discussing yesterdays technology.



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