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Re: one data point regarding native IPv6 support

2011-06-10 04:56:25
Dear Stefan,
Thank you for the reply.
I think there should be a platform where IPv4 users and IPv6 users can
interface. If this link is missing then there will be problem.

Otueneh

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Stefan Winter 
<stefan(_dot_)winter(_at_)restena(_dot_)lu>wrote:

Hello,

"You appear to be able to browse the IPv4 Internet only. You will not
be able to reach IPv6-only sites."

Please can some one visit http://test-ipv6.com/# and give me more
explanation on the displayed result?

That message is quite clear, isn't it? You use an Internet Service
Provider which only supplies you with IPv4 connectivity. If you want to
visit a website which only supports IPv6, it will not work.

The test website can be reached on both IPv4 and IPv6. So it can tell
you: you came here via IPv4, and didn't manage to get here via IPv6. So
there is no working IPv6 for you.

Stefan


Kind regards,

Otunte Otueneh
ISOC Nigeria Chapter


On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Stefan Winter
<stefan(_dot_)winter(_at_)restena(_dot_)lu 
<mailto:stefan(_dot_)winter(_at_)restena(_dot_)lu>> wrote:

    Hi,

    >> ... when the support people for a fairly well-established telco
    >> haven't even heard of IPv6, it's hard to believe that it's going
    >> to be available anytime soon.
    >> [multiple people essentially reporting the same]
    >> At this point in time $ISP has no immediate plans for
    implementation.
    > I would say it's about time reality finally settles in.

    My reality is that I switched to an ISP who openly announced
    native IPv6
    support in their offering in 2007. Up and running since then, and
    when I
    had trouble setting up the IPCP+IP6CP in the same PPP channel in
    IOS, I
    wrote them an email on a Saturday, and got a config snippet back
    an hour
    later, as part of their standard customer service. That ISP operates
    nation-wide and uses IPv6 as a marketing instrument to get techies to
    subscribe. For a price of converted 15 USD per month. That's in
    Germany
    though. Apparently, realities differ depending on where you are.

    Greetings,

    Stefan Winter

    >
    >> Keith Moore wrote:
    >> Meanwhile, 6to4 continues to work just fine for me.
    >> So please explain again why it isn't premature to
    >> discourage a valuable transition mechanism?
    > On that one I agree with Keith; where's the rush? Although
    imperfect,
    > 6to4 was an obvious path and its demise would be the failure of the
    > IETF, following a long list of things that have been killed
    prematurely.
    >
    >
    >> Ned wrote:
    >> Anyone who doesn't believe we have a major marketing
    >> problem here isn't paying attention.
    > Hmm that is a point of view. You think you have a solution (IPv6)
to
    > what you perceive to be a problem (shortage of IPv4 addresses).
    >
    > However, some ISPs (and some other companies) do not consider it a
    > problem, but a blessing. What the IPv4 shortage does is that it
    prevents
    > new large players to enter the field, while allowing existing
    players to
    > continue to do business as usual.
    >
    > As the shortage as been predicted for a decade, some (not all) have
    > stockpiled addresses and are now reaping the benefits. In
    business, this
    > situation is worth solid gold: it's called a monopoly. I'm fat and
    > happy, and I want it to continue. In this case, it's even better:
    > companies who benefit from it can argue that they are not the
    ones who
    > created the monopoly, it was a built-in limitation of the system as
    > created.
    >
    > Some may not like the parallel, but we have failed the IPv6
    migration
    > the same way we have failed the war on drugs. A while ago, there
was
    > this thing called the Tier-1 cartel. As originally designed, a very
    > elusive club, with almost no way in and absolutely no tears when a
    > member gets de-peered.
    >
    > Some have said that the cartel has failed as a system (due to a
    large
    > number of multilateral peering agreements and other factors).
    But now
    > what we have is a much larger number of largely unorganized but
    sharing
    > the same goals entities: those who already have IPv4 addresses.
It's
    > even worse.
    >
    > When a resource becomes scare or limited, the big picture is not
how
    > much of it is available, or how much it costs. The big picture
    is how
    > much of the market one does control. Now we are in the situation
    where
    > everyone and their sister own a piece of the pie, and as long as
the
    > price of the pie keeps going up, they're going to cling to it.
    >
    >
    > On top of the marketing problem you mentioned, you have a bigger
    one:
    > there are many, many organizations out there that, even if you
    paid them
    > to deploy IPv6, would not. Because IPv6 is a territorial threat
    to them.
    >
    > While the new or wannabe players would like the extra address
    space, the
    > sad truth is that the already establish players don't like newly
    open
    > spaces and prefer the territory control that comes with owning a
    piece
    > of a limited land space.
    >
    > Michel.
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