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Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-grow-geomrt-04.txt> (Multi-threaded Routing Toolkit (MRT) Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) routing information export format with geo-location extensions) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-16 15:44:22
It would be helpful to clarify the relationship between this work and other 
IETF work on geolocation, namely GEOPRIV [RFC6280].  I don't think there's a 
huge change required, but a simple paragraph could be helpful; suggested text 
is below.

The first question is what role a geomrt router plays in the GEOPRIV system. 
Given that a GeoMRT router is receiving location (somehow) from peers and 
sending it back out, one could argue that it's a Location Server, and thus 
needs to both (1) obey, and (2) forward any privacy rules attached to a 
location object.  I wouldn't say it's a Viewer, since it's preserving the 
location information as location information; I would think of a Viewer as 
something that's going to use the location to do something else, like Yelp or 
OpenTable, or even a location-based routing system (I hear they exist for DTNs).

So in principle, location objects from which a geomrt router builds a geomrt 
object could have rules attached that give less than full access, and in that 
case, GEOPRIV would call for those rules to be sent along with the location 
info in the geomrt object.

Now, there are two ways to respond to this situation:
1. Add privacy/rules fields to geomrt
2. Require that location info that feeds into a geomrt object not have rules 
attached (i.e., it must be public)

ISTM that the latter approach makes more sense for this document, since this 
format is largely intended for low-risk, publication-style information sharing. 
 Suggested text (probably in Security Considerations):
"
The GEOPRIV architecture requires that rules attached to a location object be 
transmitted alongside the location information in the object.  If a router adds 
location to an MRT object based on GEOPRIV location objects, then it would have 
to include rules as well.  Since the MRT geolocation format does not include 
fields to carry privacy rules, each location entry in an MRT object is assigned 
the following default privacy rules [RFC4119]:
-- retransmission-allowed: True
-- retention-expires: 100 years from timestamp of the MRT object
-- ruleset-reference: Empty
-- note-well: Empty
Location information derived from a location object with more restrictive rules 
MUST NOT be included in an MRT object unless there are non-technical measures 
in place  that enforce and communicate the constraints on the use of the 
location information in the MRT object (e.g., contractual agreements between 
peers).

Location information that originates from sources other than GEOPRIV location 
objects (e.g., GPS chips, emails from peers) does not have the same formal 
requirements, but should nonetheless be handled as potentially private 
information requiring the  permission of the source before publication.
"


On Aug 12, 2011, at 11:23 AM, The IESG wrote:


The IESG has received a request from the Global Routing Operations WG
(grow) to consider the following document:
- 'Multi-threaded Routing Toolkit (MRT) Border Gateway Protocol (BGP)
  routing information export format with geo-location extensions'
 <draft-ietf-grow-geomrt-04.txt> as a Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org mailing lists by 2011-08-26. Exceptionally, comments 
may be
sent to iesg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org instead. In either case, please retain the
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Abstract


  This document updates the Multi-threaded Routing Toolkit (MRT) export
  format for Border Gateway Protocol (BGP) routing information by
  extending it to include optional terrestrial coordinates of a BGP
  Collector and its BGP Peers.




The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-grow-geomrt/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-grow-geomrt/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.


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