Re: Discuss criteria for documents that advance on the standards track

Would having professional editors make a difference here?

On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:31 AM, John C Klensin wrote:

> --On Tuesday, August 30, 2011 14:51 -0700 Fred Baker
> <fred(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> wrote:
>
> > > What's also not fair game is to "raise the bar" - to expect
> > > the document at DS to meet more stringent criteria than it
> > > was required to meet at the time of PS approval.
> > Hmmm, the "demonstrated interoperability" requirement of DS/IS
> > is in fact a raising of the bar,and one that has served us
> > well. We don't (although IMHO we should) require even an
> > implementation to go to PS. 
> I know it is controversial, but there is at least one other area
> in which we should be raising the bar for DS/IS by dropping the
> bar for Proposed.  If we really want to get PS specs out quickly
> while the percentage of people who easily write very high
> quality technical English in the IETF continues to go down, we
> need to stop the behavior of various IESG members simulating
> technical editors or translators to "fix" PS text (or insisting
> that the author or WG do so, which, IMO, is less bad but still
> often a problem).  Doing that will get documents out faster,
> perhaps even a lot faster in some cases, but will inevitably
> result in PS documents that need significant editorial work
> before being approved at DS.  
>
> I think that would actually be a good thing.  I think that
> stuffing explicit placeholders to the effect of "this needs to
> be rewritten to be completely clear to folks who haven't
> participated in the WG" into PS documents would be a fine idea
> -- it would get those documents finished and out while making
> their preliminary nature very clear.   But it implies a higher
> editorial quality standard --a higher bar-- for DS/IS than for
> PS.
>
>    john
>
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