RE: [mpls] 答复: 回复: R: FW: Last Call: <draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt> (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC2011-10-06 12:32:03Jian, See in-line. -----Original Message----- From: mpls-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org [mailto:mpls-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On Behalf Of yang(_dot_)jian90(_at_)zte(_dot_)com(_dot_)cn Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:54 AM To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; mpls(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org; mpls-bounces@ietf.orgLarry Subject: [mpls] 答复: 回复: R: FW: Last Call: <draft-sprecher-mpls-tp- oam-considerations-01.txt> (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC Dear All, I do not support either. In section 3.5: If two MPLS OAM protocols were to be deployed we would have to consider three possible scenarios: 1) Isolation of the network into two incompatible and unconnected islands. Two OAM solutions have been discussed for a long time in both ITU-T and IETF. Repeating more times does not make the argument becoming correct. It wasted a lot of people a lot of time. Each solution has their own supporters inculding carriers and vendors. So I don't think there is any interworking issue between two OAM solutions. Carrier will select one OAM solution, A or B, in their network. No need to select A and B at one network at the same time. Don't think anyone said they intended to keep each of their networks/islands stay forever isolated. Two solutions bring in additional inter-op complications is a fact. Respect their own selection and listen to their requirements, please. Fully respect individual provider's choice of technology, that is a separate matter from standards. We are talking about IETF requirements here. Which requirement stated in the RFCs are not satisfied by the singe OAM solution defined in IETF? Best regards, Jian Thanks, Luyuan Larry <larryli888@ya hoo.com.cn> 收件人 发件人: "adrian(_at_)olddog(_dot_)co(_dot_)uk" mpls-bounces@i <adrian(_at_)olddog(_dot_)co(_dot_)uk>, "mpls(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org" etf.org <mpls(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>, "ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org" <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>, D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo 2011-10-05 <alessandro.dalessandro@telecomitalia. 19:51 it> 抄送 主题 [mpls] 回复: R: FW: Last Call: <draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam- considerat ions-01.txt> (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC Dear all, So many multiple solution cases just show the way that the world and technology works. Killing a solution roughly brings more damage to the industry. Section 3.6 discusses the elements of the choice of solutions. Current application and deployment should be considered. In China Mobile, more than 330,000 PTN box are/will based on G.8113.1. TDM PW gives a good example. G.8113.1 based OAM is relative simple and mature and widely deployed and should be the standard. Best regards, Han Li --- 11年10月5日,周三, D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo <alessandro(_dot_)dalessandro(_at_)telecomitalia(_dot_)it> 写道:发件人: D'Alessandro Alessandro Gerardo<alessandro(_dot_)dalessandro(_at_)telecomitalia(_dot_)it>主题: [mpls] R: FW: Last Call:<draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt> (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC收件人: "adrian(_at_)olddog(_dot_)co(_dot_)uk" <adrian(_at_)olddog(_dot_)co(_dot_)uk>, "mpls(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org"<mpls(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>, "ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org" <ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org>日期: 2011年10月5日,周三,下午5:38 Dear all, I do not support. Basically I think it is superfluous dedicate an RFC to state it is better having one standard instead of two ones or many... for sure the lower are the variants the better is for the industry (one is the ideal). When two or more standards or de-facto standards exist it is because the problem they solve is not exactly the same, the way they solve the problem is optimized for different environments/boundary conditions (more efficient, more effective, etc). Therefore a single solution does not necessarily meet the different market requirements. It is fundamental to enter into the problem's details before making consideration about the best way to proceed (one solution, two solutions, multiple solutions) whilst the document clearly declares it does not want to make any technical evaluations. After more than three years of debates within the IETF and major unresolved technical concerns risen from some transport operators, the existence of this draft is by itself the sure sign that MPLS-TP OAM is a case where a single solution has not be found to meet all the different market requirements. Otherwise, why are we still discussing about it....? Therefore we must be realistic and the lessons learned from the past should guide our decisions: if a solution cannot be found for satisfying all the requirements it is better to have two standards and let the market decide how to exploit them. Are we really sure the cost(many) / benefit (none) analysis done in section 7.5 is realistic? Best regards, Alessandro ------------------------------------------------------------------ Telecom Italia Alessandro D'Alessandro Transport Innovation Via Reiss Romoli, 274 - 10148 Torino phone: +39 011 228 5887 mobile: +39 335 766 9607 fax: +39 06 418 639 07 -----Messaggio originale----- Da: mpls-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org [mailto:mpls-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] Per conto di Adrian Farrel Inviato: lunedì 26 settembre 2011 23:58 A: mpls(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org Oggetto: [mpls] FW: Last Call: <draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt> (The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution for MPLS-TP OAM) to Informational RFC MPLS Working Group, Please be aware of the IETF last call as shown below. The document was presented for publication as an individual RFC with IETF consensus and AD sponsorship. This draft is clearly close and relevant to the work you do, but after discussing with the chairs I came to the conclusion that it does not comment on the technical or process decisions of the MPLS working groups, and it does not attempt to make any technical evaluations or definitions within the scope of the MPLS working group. It is more of a philosophical analysis of the way the IETF approaches the "two solutions" problem with special reference to MPLS-TP OAM. Thus, I am accepting the document as AD Sponsored rather than running it through the MPLS working group. My reasoning is that the working group has got plenty to do working on technical issues without being diverted into wider IETF philosophy. As an AD Sponsored I-D it is subject to a four week IETF last call. That is plenty of opportunity for everyone to comment and express their views. Please send your comments to the IETF mailing list as described below, or (in exceptional circumstances) direct to the IESG. Thanks, Adrian-----Original Message----- From: ietf-announce-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org[mailto:ietf-announce-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org]On Behalf Of The IESGSent: 26 September 2011 20:43 To: IETF-Announce Subject: Last Call:<draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt>(The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution forMPLS-TP OAM) toInformational RFC The IESG has received a request from an individualsubmitter toconsider the following document: - 'The Reasons for Selecting a Single Solution forMPLS-TP OAM'<draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations-01.txt>as anInformational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next fewweeks, and solicitsfinal comments on this action. Please send substantivecomments to theietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)orgmailing lists by 2011-10-24. Exceptionally, comments maybe sent to iesg(_at_)ietf(_dot_)orginstead. In either case, please retain thebeginning of the Subject line to allow automatedsorting.Abstract The MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP) is aprofile of MPLS technologyfor use in transport network deployments.That is, MPLS-TP is a setof functions and features selected fromthe wider MPLS toolset andapplied in a consistent way to meet theneeds and requirements ofoperators of packet transport networks. During the process of development of theprofile, additions to theMPLS toolset have been made to ensurethat the tools available metthe requirements. These additions weremotivated by MPLS-TP, but formpart of the wider MPLS toolset such thatany of them could be used inany MPLS deployment. One major set of additions providesenhanced support for Operations,Administration, and Maintenance (OAM).This enables fault managementand performance monitoring to the levelneeded in a transportnetwork. Many solutions and protocolextensions have been proposed toaddress these OAM requirements, and thisdocument sets out thereasons for selecting a single, coherentset of solutions forstandardization. The file can be obtained via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations/ IESG discussion can be tracked via http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sprecher-mpls-tp-oam-considerations/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly onthis I-D._______________________________________________ IETF-Announce mailing list IETF-Announce(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce_______________________________________________ mpls mailing list mpls(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/mpls Questo messaggio e i suoi allegati sono indirizzati esclusivamente alle persone indicate. La diffusione, copia o qualsiasi altra azione derivante dalla conoscenza di queste informazioni sono rigorosamente vietate. 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