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RE: Consensus Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request

2011-11-29 13:10:35
Folks,

I think that our time would be used much more productively if we discussed 
whether to make the allocation or not. The proposed status of the document is a 
secondary issue.

                                             Ron

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Subject: Re: Consensus Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request


On Nov 29, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Russ Housley wrote:

+1


On Nov 29, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Bradner, Scott wrote:

to be pedantic - a BCP stands for the best way we know how to do
something
it is not required that the process actually be in use before the
BCP is adopted

as Mike O'Dell once said, if BCPs had to reflect what was actually
being done we
could never have a BCP defining good manners on the IETF mailing
list

see RFC 2026 - it says
 The BCP subseries of the RFC series is designed to be a way to
 standardize practices and the results of community deliberations.
A
 BCP document is subject to the same basic set of procedures as
 standards track documents and thus is a vehicle by which the IETF
 community can define and ratify the community's best current
thinking
 on a statement of principle or on what is believed to be the best
way
 to perform some operations or IETF process function.

i.e, the IETF's "best current thinking" on the "best way" to do
something - not
'describing the way something is done'

You stopped the excerpt from 2026 too soon on both ends; "the
community's best current thinking on a statement of principle". Ron
already said that the community didn't agree on a clear "best current
thinking", and the document very clearly says that this is meant to be
a new allocation of addresses, not "a statement of principle".

If the IESG wants to weasel around the actual words in RFC 2026, that's
fine: this wouldn't be the first time. However, there is also an
opportunity to be more honest and call it a Proposed Standard.

--Paul Hoffman

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