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Re: Last Call: <draft-ietf-intarea-ipv4-id-update-05.txt> (Updated Specification of the IPv4 ID Field) to Proposed Standard

2012-06-15 11:53:02
Masataka,

On 6/15/2012 3:48 AM, Masataka Ohta wrote:
After thinking more about the draft, I think it is
purposelessly hostile against innocent operators and
end users who are suffering between people filtering
ICMP and people insisting on PMTUD.

Today, innocent operators often clear DF bit and
end users are happy with it, because, today, probability
of accidental ID match is small enough.

That is not an innocent action. It defeats PMTUD, which is a draft
standard. It also violates RFC 791 and 1121.

However, as the ID specifies:

    >>  Originating sources MAY set the IPv4 ID field of atomic datagrams
    to any value.

    >>  IPv4 datagram transit devices MUST NOT clear the DF bit.

people insisting on PMTUD are now authorized to set ID always
zero, trying to discourage ICMP filtering and DF bit clearing.

But, as people filtering ICMP won't stop doing so and if
operators can do nothing other than clearing DF, it is
end users who suffers.

This document only restates existing requirements in this regard,
stating them in 2119-language. It does not create any new requirement.
Operates that clear the DF bit are already in violation of three
standards-track RFCs.

Then, end users may actively act against PMTUD and/or IETF.

I disagree; if they wanted to do so, they already would have acted since
the requirements already exist, albeit in pre-RFC2199 language.

Joe


                                      Masataka Ohta

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