Re: So, where to repeat?

On 8/6/12 5:23 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote:
> Dublin panned? I thought it was one of the best venues and locations of the 
> last meetings.
The meeting wasn't "in" Dublin. There are no venues  attached to or 
adjacent to suitable hotels large enough to do a plenary in Dublin.
Regarding the venue itself. Next to no attenuation between floors. I am 
still surprised that building had enough steel in it to not come down 
around our ears.
I'd just as soon do wifi for 1200 in a tent.
> What about Italy or Spain? I've never heard about an IETF in Italy. I'm ok with 
> meetings outside Italy since i like traveling very much, but i was wondering 
> why it has never been taken into account in the past meetings. Is it expensive? 
> I think Italy and Spain are much cheaper than France, UK or Sweden, aren't they?
>
> BR
> Daniele
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org 
> > [mailto:ietf-bounces(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org] On
> > Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan
> > Sent: lunedì 6 agosto 2012 14.06
> > To: ietf(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org
> > Subject: So, where to repeat? (was:Re: management granularity)
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 05, 2012 at 11:58:19AM -0700, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > > enough merely to have excellent staff.  We need to go back to the
> > > better places and benefit from the learning curve.  This
> > doesn't mean
> > > "no new venues" but it means fewer.
> > As a practical matter, may I ask about which venues you want
> > to return to?  I get your argument in principle, but it seems
> > to me that there has been quite a lot of complaining in the
> > past.  The one factor that seems to me most likely to reduce
> > complaints -- weather -- is evidently beyond the Secretariat's
> > or IAOC's control.
> >
> > People seem inclined to return to the Hyatt in Vancouver,
> > elevators notwithstanding.  We're going to do that.  (I don't
> > understand why the previous Vencouver venue was less desirable
> > -- to me, these venues were very similar, and not very far
> > apart.  I note, however, that the previous two Vancouver
> > visits were near the end of the year, when it rains all the
> > time in Vancouver.)
> >
> > People complained at length about the venue in Paris, so I
> > presume it's out.
> >
> > Some people complained about the hotel room prices and travel
> > expense in Taipei, though I heard remarks that it was a good venue.
> > Should we try to return there?
> >
> > People complained in advance about getting to Québec, although
> > afterwards I heard lots of good noises about that venue.  I
> > note that the weather was great.  Should we try to return?
> >
> > I don't recall much complaining about the Prague venue in
> > 2011, which was striking to me because very little seemed
> > different to me compared to our first visit there.  Perhaps
> > this is evidence of the "tuning"
> > you suggest (ensuring the water bottles were plastic, for instance).
> > But I note the weather was excellent.
> >
> > Beijing?  I guess Maastricht is out. Anaheim (FWIW, I thought
> > that was an example of a terrible location, but many people
> > seemed happy with it)?  Hiroshima?  Stockholm?  San Francisco
> > (we thought the crime at Paris was bad, yet didn't complain
> > about being smack up against the Tenderloin)?  Or there's the
> > old standby, Minneapolis; perhaps we could do it in March.
> > The Dublin venue was panned by large numbers of people.
> > Philadelphia, people complained about expense.  Chicago, too
> > (combined with hotel renovations).
> >
> > That gets us back through 2007.  Which of the venues do you
> > think we should return to, to which we already haven't
> > returned or planned to return?  And why?
> >
> > For what it's worth, I would not complain about returning to
> > any of those venues; I personally had good meetings at all of
> > them except Hiroshima, which I missed due to other
> > commitments.  That includes both Maastricht and Dublin, which
> > were both apparently trials for large numbers of others.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > A
> >
> > --
> > Andrew Sullivan
> > ajs(_at_)anvilwalrusden(_dot_)com