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Re: Montevideo statement

2013-10-09 14:44:23
SM:

Each of these leaders comes from a different organization, and each of these 
organizations grants their leaders different degrees of autonomy.  So, the 
amount of coordination that was done differs for each. In all cases, there was 
one business day to do the coordination.

In my case, I shared the draft statement with the whole IAB, stating my 
intention to include my name and role at the bottom of the statement.  I asked 
for no wordsmithing because ten organizations were simultaneously handling the 
statement in their own way.

Russ


On Oct 9, 2013, at 3:27 PM, SM wrote:

Hi Russ,
At 09:24 09-10-2013, Russ Housley wrote:
This is a statement about what happened at a meeting.  Discussion would not 
change what happened at the meeting.  Making the statement very public 
allows a good discussion of what should happen next.  I look forward to that 
discussion.

One of the organizations mentioned in the statement commented about it as 
follows:

 "Internet/Web Organizations Issue Montevideo Statement on the Future
  of Internet Cooperation"

 "The leaders of organizations responsible for coordination of the Internet
  technical infrastructure globally met in Montevideo, Uruguay, to consider
  current issues affecting the future of the Internet. They issued today
  a Montevideo Statement on the Future of Internet Cooperation, signed by
  African Network Information Center (AFRINIC), American Registry for
  Internet Numbers (ARIN), Asia-Pacific Network Information Centre (APNIC),
  Internet Architecture Board (IAB), Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
  and Numbers (ICANN), Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), Internet
  Society (ISOC), Latin America and Caribbean Internet Addresses Registry
  (LACNIC), Réseaux IP Européens Network Coordination Centre (RIPE NCC), W3C."

One of the signatories of the statement mentioned (if I understood correctly) 
that the statement was from the organizations.

Is the statement an IAB statement or a statement from the IAB Chair?  Please 
note that I have read the message from Andrew (see 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg82926.html ).

I agree that discussion would not change what happened.  I don't think that 
it is a good idea to have a "fait accompli" [1] for the IETF Community to 
discuss about.  It has been said that "we reject: kings, presidents and 
voting".  The statement creates the perception that the leaders of the 
Internet Architecture Board and the Internet Engineering Task Force are like 
kings or presidents. The Internet Architecture Board is supposed to be based 
on collegial responsibility.  I read that as meaning not to have statements 
which commits the Internet Architecture Board to a course of action without 
some form of approval from the members of that Board.  Obviously, some form 
of approval would not have to be sought if the course of action has been 
discussed previously.

 "The [IAB] board discussed the issue of a joint OpenStand statement or
  an IAB specific statement. Many members were against a closed review
  period for such a statement and would prefer to have an open discussion
  period in the IETF if such a statement was required."

There is a comment on the www.iab.org web site about "allegations of 
interference by some governments in the standards development process" and a 
link to an "OpenStand" statement.  It seems that there was a closed review 
period for the joint OpenStand statement.

I don't think that it is possible to build trust if openness and transparency 
are in name only.  I am not enthusiastic about having a discussion which does 
not materially affect the outcome.

Regards,
-sm

1. something that has been done and cannot be changed.