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Re: Of governments and representation (was: Montevideo Statement)

2013-10-14 08:32:51
There is an important difference between policy and politics. Promoting a
politics discussion within the IETF arena will become the demise of the
IETF.

-J


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Arturo Servin 
<arturo(_dot_)servin(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com>wrote:


        It is clear to me that the IETF cannot be away from Internet
Governance
discussions. Yes, it is politics and we do not like politics, but that
is the way the Internet is these days.

        It is also appears that we do not have consensus of how to
participate
and what to say in those discussions (I do not mind the way it is today
but it seems that some folk -and I understand them- prefer other ways).

        Inevitably, as John said we are in times of change and we need to
figure out how to interact with other Internet ecosystem organizations,
we like or not.

        By means of our current bodies (IAB, IESG), individual submissions
or
working groups we need to find a way to what say, where, and how.

Regards,
as


On 10/11/13 5:29 PM, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
Hi John,

On 12/10/2013 05:02, John Curran wrote:
...
In my personal view, it is a very important for the IETF to select
leadership who can
participate in any discussions that occur,

Without obsessing about the word "leadership", but following up on a
comment
made by Noel Chiappa on the "leader statements" thread, I think we have
to recognise that nothing in the NomCom process, the IAB Charter, or
the IESG Charter, would cause us to select IAB or IETF Chairs who are
particularly suited to this role.

In fact I think that the plan of record is to leave such matters to
ISOC.

Reality is different - the outside world expects to hear from us.

     Brian