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RE: Editorial thoughts on draft-farrell-perpass-attack-02

2013-12-17 04:10:54
I'm merely reporting what one international standard settled on. The point was 
just to note that the term attack is in use.

I'll just note that what you use for threat is a threat actor in some usages, 
but not ISO 27000's.

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Christopher,

ISO 27000 (Information technology - Security techniques - Information 
security management systems - Overview and vocabulary) defiChristopher,nes 
both terms, and differently:

2.4
attack
attempt to destroy, expose, alter, disable, steal or gain unauthorized 
access to or make unauthorized use of an asset (2.3)

2.45
threat
potential cause of an unwanted incident, which may result in harm to a 
system or organization

The definition for attack seems appropriate.  The definition for threat is not 
bad, but I prefer an older one, commonly used in the military context, and 
which matches with a trio of definitions for understanding security contexts:

Vulnerability - a flaw in a design of implementation of a security-relevent 
protocol or system

Attack - more of less as above

Adversary - an entity with a set of motivations and capabilities to effect an 
attack

Threat - a motivated, capable adversary. An adversary who is capable, but not 
motivated, is not a threat. An adversary who is motivated, but not capable, is 
not a threat.

A threat model articulates adversaries and often enumerates classes of attacks, 
and then discusses the perceived motivation and ability of adversaries to 
effect attacks against a system of interest.

We lack a threat model for the Internet. Most of our security protocols do not 
have published threat models (we didn't encourage this until recently) and what 
is published typically is an attack model, not a threat model.

Most aspects of pervasive monitoring are indistinguishable from our traditional 
attack model, since that model already assumes adversaries that can engage in 
passive and active wiretapping. If we had a real threat model, either it would 
have included a discussion of nation states as adversaries with the 
capabilities to do what we have seen that they do, and a motivation to do so, 
or not. I'd like to see this document explicitly discuss this.

Steve

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