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Re: Suggestion: can we test DEMARC deployment with a mailing list?

2014-05-02 13:22:55
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Fred Baker (fred) <fred(_at_)cisco(_dot_)com> 
wrote:
We have been having a fairly extended discussion, much of which seems 
hypothetical - “I don’t like DEMARC because I am worried that ... with 
mailing lists”. I wonder if we could take a moment to try it and see what 
happens?

As an example of the case that comes to mind, see attached. It is a message 
sent to v6ops(_at_)ietf(_dot_)org yesterday. The sender signed it using DKIM, 
the IETF changed the message (added some trailing text) before forwarding it, 
the receiver (e.g., Cisco IT) attempted to validate the DKIM signature - and 
failed.


dkim != dmarc (but maybe that wasn't your point)

It seems to me that we should not approve a procedure that has that effect, 
at least without some guidance for mail relay administrators. I could imagine 
two forms of guidance: “obey the end-to-end principle; don’t change the 
message the originator sent”, or “if you change a signed message, first 
validate the message you received and discard if that fails, change it, and 
then sign it yourself, so that a receiver can see who changed it and validate 
the outcome”.

Could we actually try such guidance in a sandbox, and document appropriate 
procedures for mailing lists?


which mailing list software? or did you mean test a general solution
and document the general solution?