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Re: Interim meetings - changing the way we work

2015-02-26 15:22:19

On Feb 26, 2015:4:16 PM, at 4:16 PM, Brian E Carpenter 
<brian(_dot_)e(_dot_)carpenter(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> wrote:

On 27/02/2015 09:08, Thomas D. Nadeau wrote:

On Feb 26, 2015:2:42 PM, at 2:42 PM, Benson Schliesser 
<bensons(_at_)queuefull(_dot_)net> wrote:

Nico Williams wrote:
Yes, but a record that a concall or other interim meeting took place,
and who attended, even if there are incomplete or missing minutes, is
important for IPR reasons.  Ensuring that such meetings are NOTE WELL
meetings is (should be) a priority, and that includes ensuring that a
record of that much exists.

Ideally the concalls and other interims would be recorded.

I agree completely. My point was that meeting records (including minutes) 
will inevitably be incomplete, or possibly inaccurate, and that relying on 
the mailing list as an authoritative record is more effective.

Of course it is disappointing that we can't meaningfully translate voice 
discussions into text, in the minutes or in mailing list threads. If there 
were some magic tool e.g. that took better minutes then I'd be happy to use 
it. But otherwise, I think we just have to trust chairs to manage WG 
collaboration in whatever way is most effective for their WG's 
collaborators.

     The first step is to agree that an A/V recording is record enough. 

It absolutely is not enough. Please see my previous message,
and the relevant rules in RFC 2418.

  Brian

        You are missing my point. RFC or not, the IETF needs to evolve.

        --Tom




Perhaps having meetbot/txt notes that at a min include actions/decisions 
like we do in the issue tracker we've used for NETMOD's Yang 1.1's issues. 

     --Tom



This will inevitably be suboptimal for some part of the population. (For 
instance, I've never been able to find an interim meeting time that fits 
the schedules of all attendees.) But if they (we) always revert to the 
mailing list for decision making then I suspect our work can remain open 
and transparent.

Cheers,
-Benson