Re: New datatracker UI

On 4/18/2015 3:59 AM, t.p. wrote:
> I find it worse than that.  Just over a year ago, Martin Rex said, about
> an upgrade to a different IETF server,
>
> "Using IE6 to test a web page is perfectly reasonable.
>
> If it doesn't work in IE6, it uses more complex/esoteric features
> than what is necessary and should be used in the first place.
I understand, and once upon a time that was very true, but I think by 
this point in browser history time, its closer to IE9 as a minimum for 
the windows world of end user support. That is why I go by for our 
intranet Web products (we supplied canned dynamic web pages) and I 
have to test all the browser out there.  Its was a difficult job.
I think a good way to lay this out is to have some web-support level 
terms such as:
  Web 1.0   Pure HTML/CSS, no Javascript, no client side offloading.
  Web 2.0   with Javascript, Ajax, Client side offloading, etc.
  Web 3.0   with HTML5, "Web Sockets"

The trend is to offload mode of the client side work to the end-user 
devices.  Well, trend has always been cyclic; centralized, 
decentralized, we are in a hybrid mode now, of centralization with 
smart offloaded fatter devices aka apps.  Most of the top browsers 
support HTML5, but javascript should be a given.   It would be nice 
(not as fancy) to keep Web 1.0 web site, but the IETF decision should 
be made if WEB 2.0 is the minimum device expectation for the IETF.
> The server obviously fails the golden IETF rule "be conservative
> in what you send out" (as HTML) and the server ought to be fixed"
Its hard to support all the browsers, especially all the devices. But 
its all possible of course.  It is expensive.  We made that move 
ourselves around 2006 from Web 1.0 to Web 2.0 before requiring 
Javascript where it was needed, otherwise it was optional.  I expect 
within a  year or so, more Web 3.0 technology to be used for our 
intranet package and expecting MOST of the interested end users 
(targeted customers) to be ready.  Testing will tell us. :)
> I have performed the test.  It fails, comprehensively.
Well, when simple Javascript-disabled testing is obviously missed, it 
says people working on it probably have all the latest gadgets, more 
current/modern hardware, speeds, etc, and they don't do full end-user 
testing and/or they presumed the interested end users will be ready 
for it as well with latest hardware and browsers, etc.   Its just a 
matter of testing.
So the question is, does IETF want to continue with WEB 1.0 or at 
least WEB 2.0 for now?  If WEB 1.0, then perhaps IE6 browsers should 
be included in the test suite.   IE6 does have some major issues with 
Javascript so, I would expect a IE9 level of support.
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HLS