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Re: Proposed Statement on "HTTPS everywhere for the IETF"

2015-06-04 12:34:52
On Jun 4, 2015, at 3:06 AM, Yoav Nir <ynir(_dot_)ietf(_at_)gmail(_dot_)com> 
wrote:
The statement (made by Richard Barnes, not by the IESG) that the IETF should 
lead by example and move to all HTTPS is very political. The proposal 
prioritizes the concerns of some group (small or large) and levies a burden 
on the entire community (TLS is not free; finding www.cleartext.ietf.org 
takes effort). That is a political decision. It’s a small one. I agree with 
John Klensin that this is something the IESG could (and should) have done on 
its own without starting a discussion on a proposed statement.

I don't disagree that TLS is not free.   However, a useful measure of the 
importance of your statement here would be to ask you whether in fact 
https-by-default would actually be expensive enough to motivate you to change 
your behavior?   I suspect the answer is no.   Virtually all data that goes 
over the Internet is encrypted.   Of course most of that is video streams, but 
think about how much data that is.

Compared to the puny amount of data that you can get by downloading content 
from the IETF, it's hard to imagine anyone using cleartext.ietf.org for any 
reason other than that they happen to live in a repressive society, in which 
case the need to use this feature will be a fairly minor inconvenience compared 
to the rest of the hassle that they are no doubt dealing with on a daily basis.

So why are we still arguing about this?

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