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Re: the names that aren't DNS names problem, was Last Call: <draft-ietf-dnsop-onion-tld-00.txt>

2015-07-24 18:11:38
On Jul 24, 2015, at 6:31 PM, John Levine <johnl(_at_)taugh(_dot_)com> wrote:
Well, OK.  If the plan isn't that we get to look at every name in the
next round, what names do we get to look at?

If something like this were to have any hope of working, which I am not 
convinced it would anymore, it would have to be a list of names that came 
through every so often, and got last called.   Any individual name for which 
someone raises an objection would have to be discussed.   No global objections. 
  Any name that doesn’t get an objection raised can proceed through the paid 
process.   Names that do get objections get discussed, and if there is a valid 
reason for objecting, we say no.   But I have no idea what that would be.   I 
think that we would obviously have objected to names like .home and .onion on 
the grounds that they are in use in a way that makes sense (at least to some of 
us!).   It’s possible that a process like this would turn up reasons not to 
allocate names, but it’s hard to imagine it scaling, and I can’t come up with 
any objective criterion.   I just would prefer that these names be allocated 
because they _could_ be useful in the future.

Short of that, which I think is impossible, I think 6761 actually accomplishes 
what we need it to accomplish.   If anything, I would suggest that we tweak the 
criteria a bit: a name that’s in wide use already qualifies.   A name that is 
proposed to be used in an IETF protocol that is being actively worked on 
qualifies, until it’s no longer being actively worked on.   A name that is 
proposed to be used by a protocol being actively developed by another SDO or an 
open source organization qualifies.   The term should be generic, not a 
trademark, e.g., I would say that “.gnu” fails here because it’s too close to 
being a vanity TLD, even if the use that’s proposed for it is otherwise 
legitimate.   But we’d have to debate that.

I think that one of the reasons people are resistant to this is that in fact it 
really does suck that it’s either the IETF or ICANN that has to do this, and it 
could indeed be a DoS attack on the IETF in theory.   But I think that most of 
the DoS thus far has been arguments over points that we could probably reach 
consensus on, and needn’t discuss every time.   And I don’t think we can get 
out of this responsibility—it’s not ICANN’s business, I think, to judge whether 
a _protocol_ use for a special-use TLD makes sense.   I don’t mean to impugn 
the qualifications of ICANN participants; I just mean that it’s the wrong hat 
for them to be wearing.

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