Just a note on an effort by ISOC that is getting some good traction...
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On Dec 31, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Patrik Fältström <paf(_at_)frobbit(_dot_)se>
wrote:
Jari,
Thank you for the blog post, and of course as co-chair of the ICG working on
the IANA Transition I fully support and want to emphasize your last bullet,
that we need to finalize the IANA transition, finally.
But, I want to mention one detail you might have hidden in one of your other
bullets, although not explicitly, and that is one we in the Security and
Stability Advisory Committee of ICANN where I am chair have been struggling
with for years, and that is source address validation (for IP addresses that
is). In the IETF there is the well known BCP-38 that for various reasons is
questioned, although "implement BCP-38" is a statement used for "do whatever
is needed". In SSAC we already in 2004 created SAC-004
<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/sac-004-en.pdf> about "Securing
the Edge". The main author of SAC-004, Paul Vixie, and others have after that
written numerous other documents on the same topic.
ISOC's MANRS effort is helping to make BCP38 recommendations a reality and
actively increasing the number of service providers involved. This might not
be the best link, but you can find out a little here and search for more
information from there.
https://www.routingmanifesto.org/news/
Kathleen
Baseline is, we must do something about it. For some definition of "we" and
some definition of "something".
This is of course related to what Fred Baker brought up, that we do have some
tools, but they are not deployed. And if they are deployed, they are not
deployed to the degree and quality needed to give the intended effect.
We do have internationalized email addresses, we do have DNSSEC, we do have
IPv6, we do have...but how much of this is deployed?
I am sorry to say I see even here on this list many people not using
technologies they argue about. If I take things I have some clue about, I
think, DNS, and check the domain names used for the conversation, neither
DNSSEC, nor IPv6 or any other by the IETF after RFC1035 invented technology
that is DNS related is in use. By the very same engineers discussing how to
move standards forward. Is that a sign, or at least indication?
Back to the source address validation issues. That the edge can source IP
packets with fake source IP addresses is a problem. It is, I claim, the by
far largest problem we have today.
Is this connected to the fact that not even people developing standards use
very same standards?
Has the IETF ended up being too academic and lost connection to what is
actually deployed?
Sure, this gap between what is developed in the IETF and what is deployed has
always existed. Existed when I started be wg chair, continued when I was an
AD, continued even more when I was on IAB, and later ISOC BoT, and now SSAC
Chair. And some of the RFCs I have written has been excellent examples of
standards never taking off(!).
So yes, I blame myself for not having answers to my own questions. If I had,
I would have pushed for the answers. I have at least myself working(?) PGP,
DNSSEC, IPv6, NAPTR and many other things. I.e. I am, I claim, eating my own
dog food.
But, is the taste of our own food so bad we do not eat it ourselves?
If so, how can we make others eat it?
At least some flavor of BCP-38?
Because that is really really the largest issue we have today.
With this, all the best for a successful 2016!
Patrik Fältström