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Re: Long-term IETF evolution thoughts

2016-06-12 10:28:09
Jari,
Thank you for doing this.  I think that having community input on our path 
forward (as well as actually having a thoughtful path forward!) is very 
important.
My first comment is about the involvement of other communities.  You had 
mentioned Open Source.  That is great but I feel there are some other 
communities which are under-represented:
1.  Large enterprise operators / other operators2.  Implementors (other than 
open source)3.  Startups (I believe this was brought up before)
The reason I believe that these are important is because there has to be a 
feeback loop between standards, implementation and usage.   All too often, this 
loop does not exist.  
What sometimes happens is, for example, the "end user" of the standard, say the 
large enterprise, is shocked to find that a feature they had relied upon is now 
gone with a new version of a standard.   Of course, they were never at the IETF 
meetings where this was even discussed five years before.   Otherwise, they 
would have known or been able to give feedback.  I am actually involved in such 
a case at this very moment.   Some quite lengthy emails have gone back and 
forth in the last couple of days between a major U.S. corporation and one WG 
about changes in an upcoming standard.
The larger question, though, is why such people are not involved.  I suspect, 
that partially, it is similar to the "tragedy of the commons".   Enterprises 
feel that this affects many of them, so why should they be the ones paying for 
someone to go?  Why doesn't someone else?  Of course, when everyone feels this 
way, then no one goes.  Which is where we find ourselves.  I don't want to get 
completely distracted by numbers but I would bet I could count the number of 
large enterprises at the IETF on the fingers of my hand.
This is not a winning proposition for the IETF either.   The more people who 
actually are directly impacted by the standard are involved in providing 
comments, the better and longer lasting standards we will create.
Any organism (including the IETF) needs an effective feedback loop to thrive.   
I hope we can better involve such people in the IETF.  Thanks,
Nalini ElkinsInside Products, Inc.www.insidethestack.com(831) 659-8360